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hello

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and welcome to the show i'm martin

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wilsher host and i'm really excited

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about

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the show this evening first we have uh

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my friend lee spiegel on

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and you know what we also have james fox

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coming on audio he's uh on the phone and

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we're gonna be talking about his new uh

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his new his film he's been working

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diligently on for many years uh we're

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going to be talking about that because

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it is going to be released on october 6

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where you can pre-order right now on

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apple tv amazon prime fimo

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and voodoo and lee and james will be

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coming right up in just a sec

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uh just a couple of things here i hope

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some of my audience has had the

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opportunity to watch netflix uh new

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unsolved mysteries

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episode 5 the berkshires ufo our guest

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tonight tom reed

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uh will be on for the first hour after

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lee and he'll be joined

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in the second hour by judge kevin titus

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and we're going to be talking about that

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the whole

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incident how fascinating it is and tom

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is the one who's kept that alive by

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talking about it all these years

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and now all these witnesses have been

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involved and

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we've been hearing their stories which

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is really fascinating

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uh i'm trying to move fast because uh

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james fox only has a little bit of time

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here to talk to us tonight

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so i want to thank everyone who listens

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to the show i also want to

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thank everyone behind the scenes and

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everyone that does i couldn't do it

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at podcastufo.com while you're there

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check out

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charles lear's latest blog called

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monster of the ufo it's all about the

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flatwoods monster of 1952.

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he's doing audio blogs that's in the

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podcast feed i'm also putting those up

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on youtube

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and as usual we'll be taking questions

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in chat

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and uh the last half hour uh we'll be

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taking calls and

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so without further ado i'm going to

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welcome

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the show

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well well thank you very much it's

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amazing to be here it's

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always good glad to see you and i am so

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humble

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knowing that i'll be in the presence of

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james fox the master

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that's right hey yes hey james

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is is that a private joke between you

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well i have let me let me say a couple

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of years ago when i was actually

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in california staying with james and his

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great family

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for several weeks while we worked on the

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film together

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i have to say on james's property in

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at an undisclosed location by the way he

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little separate cabin that's on the

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property and

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he was gracious enough to let me have

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to kind of live in to sleep in to use a

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kitchen to shower at

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and yet every morning for weeks every

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even before an alarm could go off there

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was a knock at my door

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and i hear outside mr spiegel are you

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awake

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and and i would

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i would kind of stretch out my arm just

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to open the door

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and in james would come with either one

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of the following three things or all of

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them a glass of water

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a cup of coffee and a health shake and

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put them down on a counter and say okay

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can you be ready to leave in half an

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because we're going to fire up lonnie

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zamora's truck we've got to get to the

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lonnie zamora's truck

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go ahead james lee left out one little

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critical detail though

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he would say james i i think i think the

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deer

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were on the roof last night i said

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no no no there are no deer on the roof

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trying to get

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in bolinas as far as they know but

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yeah yeah how about that uh

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james i'm so glad you uh you could join

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us here at the last minute and uh

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i know this has been uh a work of love

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i don't know how many years have you

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worked on this film you must be so happy

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that it's finally gonna be shown

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from concept to completion i was

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uh 30 40 sorry 43 and i just turned 52.

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wow nine years how about that um and i

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i've said so many times on this show and

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while you're on the show last time too

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um and i just can't wait for this can't

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so excited well yeah uh

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yeah and lee hasn't seen the latest

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latest latest version we made some

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film will be very fresh

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up to date when it comes out uh next

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month coming out on the six can you

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believe i just yeah two weeks

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long time coming it's been a long time

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mentally exhausted from the process

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it's like you can never shut it off

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that just getting it out of the nest

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when we just the inca just dried for a

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theatrical release contract um that

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definitely you know forces to obviously

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other issues that we spent months

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a loss i mean here we are so yeah coming

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expectations it must have been such such

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the right thing instead of hanging on to

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i think you you're going to be happy

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with what the results are martin it's

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my father and i had a very

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very sorry go ahead yeah i was going to

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say my father and i had a very close

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we were very close and he used to say to

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and i that those words rang so true

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son always remember in life don't play

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the game in your head

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play the game on the board and the game

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on the board was theatrical is not

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alternative is the material gets stale

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every month that goes by that's not

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released and the level of uncertainty

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in this world of coven uh is you know

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pivot and do what everyone else has been

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oh i can't wait and um

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hours of bonus material the raw national

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willing to share a bit more than they

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previously willing to do so i think that

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you know we don't have any definitives

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at this point but it's looking like

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we might get it on a number of platforms

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is it's going to be about available for

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platforms that build available you can

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i love that idea too because when you

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think about it it's going to be so much

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easier for people

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uh to want to see the movie at their own

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convenience

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on on their own television sets at home

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they can make their own popcorn

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and they don't have to go out on a date

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and buy tickets and buy refreshments

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i love that concept alia you're looking

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chat thank you carol

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you had that serpico look years ago i'm

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not sure what look this is here sean

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uh this this is great and now i'm gonna

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and uh and thank you both very much

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um i don't know one last question i have

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james

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i'm actually looking for my next guest

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he's not in the studio supposed to be

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uh james um are you hoping this movie

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is gonna move the bar on how people look

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at the ufo topic

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i know it's it's a lot different than

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when you first started

293
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um things have changed but are you

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looking for something like that to

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happen

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if this field doesn't do it i don't know

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what will

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yeah well uh

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i can't wait and all right everyone so

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thank you uh first of all thank you both

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um lee

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and james so much thank you for having

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us you bet

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and uh good luck james patrol

305
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yeah i hope it goes really well and it's

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a real

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uh real strong uh start and uh all right

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i'll talk to you later all right good

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i knew this was breaking news for the

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front page of the new york times

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we need to accept that we are not alone

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in the universe the federal government

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all these years

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has covered up everything it's very very

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there have been visitation crashed craft

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material recovered

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it was not anything from this earth all

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the public has a right to know there's a

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tremendous

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resistance i guarantee every one of them

321
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knows that this event happened

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hiding these dark secrets even from

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elected presidents

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they came running up here in such a

325
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panic child can't make it up

326
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declassified government documents

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confirm ongoing ufo incursions

328
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at nuclear weapons sites are you saying

329
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that there's some evidence that still

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hasn't seen the light of day

331
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i'm saying most of it hasn't seen the

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light of day these things are

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all right up thanks everyone my guest uh

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tom reed

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is uh here we're ready to roll now i met

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tom uh years ago

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out in phoenix and i think uh one year

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we were both going out there i think we

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had

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a snowstorm situation where we couldn't

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make it out there which was drastic

342
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uh a drastic situation but anyway i'm so

343
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glad to have tom

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uh on the show uh again i think it was

345
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many years ago he was on

346
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i can't even remember when but welcome

347
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back tom thanks for having me

348
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thanks martin uh so

349
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i know you've uh i i will say this you

350
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you have i mentioned in the monologue

351
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you have kept this story alive

352
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um you know you have kept it going uh

353
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when

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uh and there was a lot of witnesses or

355
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experiences whatever you want to call

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them

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to this but um you were the only one

358
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that was out there talking about it and

359
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um you probably made the difference

360
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oh i like to think so yeah

361
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um i uh my uh brother really uh

362
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you know dope back into it after it um

363
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was mentioned at the u.n

364
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and it kind of um rekindled a lot of

365
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things and of course my

366
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my late father you know was an advocate

367
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and

368
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uh see this through for a lot of

369
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different reasons and um

370
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you so there's been different members of

371
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our family that have really wanted to uh

372
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pursue this for a lot of different

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reasons and it seems to have fallen on

374
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my shoulders over the past 10 years as

375
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the

376
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fairly i'm basically tired

377
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so i'm the one that became the mouth for

378
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the family

379
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yeah yeah and i've watched um i think

380
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your mother is

381
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terrific nancy um she's terrific and i

382
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do have a

383
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a picture of her i watched um i watched

384
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her on a

385
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a couple of interviews and uh she's

386
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solid

387
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i mean you know the way she she talks

388
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about the story too

389
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um just you know just amazing and

390
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i know there are some people out there

391
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that

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um have not heard this story it's just i

393
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do have a lot of new people listening to

394
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the show

395
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and i also know this you know i talked

396
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with you off here um

397
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you probably get sick and tired of

398
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telling this story so many times

399
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if you had to guess would you say you've

400
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told it over a thousand times

401
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you don't want to go to happy hour with

402
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me no

403
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it's an evening you know yeah um but

404
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yeah there's a

405
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a lot that you know we can prove there's

406
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a lot of things that we uh

407
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speculate about you know there's a lot

408
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of things that we feel

409
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um but uh for the most part i try to

410
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keep to you know what we can support and

411
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what's been validated

412
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um and uh yeah so uh

413
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it was uh the 1969 event is the one that

414
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got all the press you know that's the

415
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one that most people saw

416
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but it really had been happening long

417
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before then

418
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and it has continued there's been

419
00:15:42,069 --> 00:15:40,320
sightings that continue to this day so

420
00:15:44,230 --> 00:15:42,079
it really wasn't one day it just

421
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happened to be that one day

422
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or that particular september first night

423
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happened to be a holiday

424
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and because it was a holiday so many

425
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other so many there were a lot of

426
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witnesses to it because there were a lot

427
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of barbecues and people

428
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you know outside and um in groups

429
00:16:02,470 --> 00:16:01,040
so i think that's really why 69 became

430
00:16:06,069 --> 00:16:02,480
the incident that

431
00:16:08,870 --> 00:16:06,079
uh is most renowned for that area

432
00:16:11,110 --> 00:16:08,880
i see and i are you saying would you

433
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consider the area a hot spot

434
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is that is that what you would call it

435
00:16:16,389 --> 00:16:14,800
you know i

436
00:16:17,990 --> 00:16:16,399
if you were to go to that park and you

437
00:16:20,150 --> 00:16:18,000
don't live far from there really maybe

438
00:16:22,629 --> 00:16:20,160
four or five hours um yeah if you were

439
00:16:24,150 --> 00:16:22,639
to go to the park on any given day

440
00:16:25,670 --> 00:16:24,160
and you were to hang out there for a

441
00:16:27,269 --> 00:16:25,680
couple hours you will meet

442
00:16:29,189 --> 00:16:27,279
somebody locally that will tell you that

443
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they saw something whether it was a

444
00:16:32,150 --> 00:16:30,000
sphere

445
00:16:33,749 --> 00:16:32,160
and there had been spears that had been

446
00:16:36,389 --> 00:16:33,759
caught on camera

447
00:16:37,670 --> 00:16:36,399
you know four or five years ago over

448
00:16:40,310 --> 00:16:37,680
those cornfields

449
00:16:43,590 --> 00:16:40,320
you know there's um crop circles that

450
00:16:44,470 --> 00:16:43,600
apparently showed up in 2013 and 2014 in

451
00:16:47,670 --> 00:16:44,480
sheffield

452
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um there were sightings in 74 66 67

453
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69 and throughout the

454
00:16:54,870 --> 00:16:53,680
80s and 90s you know it's uh i think

455
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it's a hotbed

456
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i think there's something uh

457
00:17:02,710 --> 00:16:59,440
maybe there's a mining interest or

458
00:17:04,309 --> 00:17:02,720
something there um i i do know that um

459
00:17:06,549 --> 00:17:04,319
because of command aerospace pratt and

460
00:17:08,150 --> 00:17:06,559
whitney sikorsky uh ge

461
00:17:09,990 --> 00:17:08,160
electric boat you know all those

462
00:17:11,829 --> 00:17:10,000
government manufacturing facilities

463
00:17:13,750 --> 00:17:11,839
there's been a lot of speculation that

464
00:17:15,909 --> 00:17:13,760
you know what are we really seeing

465
00:17:17,029 --> 00:17:15,919
but um i don't know of any i don't know

466
00:17:19,590 --> 00:17:17,039
of a sphere

467
00:17:20,949 --> 00:17:19,600
that we have you know that can hover

468
00:17:23,590 --> 00:17:20,959
over a cornfield

469
00:17:24,870 --> 00:17:23,600
and then shoot off you know in a seconds

470
00:17:27,590 --> 00:17:24,880
time so

471
00:17:28,789 --> 00:17:27,600
um i don't think there's any question

472
00:17:30,549 --> 00:17:28,799
that there's activity

473
00:17:32,549 --> 00:17:30,559
i think people just try to get their

474
00:17:33,350 --> 00:17:32,559
head around what is that activity you

475
00:17:36,230 --> 00:17:33,360
know what is it

476
00:17:37,669 --> 00:17:36,240
so um that that would tell you as far as

477
00:17:39,669 --> 00:17:37,679
the crop circles now i don't i'm not an

478
00:17:42,070 --> 00:17:39,679
expert in crop circles but

479
00:17:43,430 --> 00:17:42,080
you know either they're being uh either

480
00:17:46,070 --> 00:17:43,440
there's kids having some fun

481
00:17:47,350 --> 00:17:46,080
or they're legit but i can't tell you

482
00:17:49,029 --> 00:17:47,360
that uh this

483
00:17:51,029 --> 00:17:49,039
the corn that i saw it was in a corn

484
00:17:52,950 --> 00:17:51,039
field was actually burned

485
00:17:54,870 --> 00:17:52,960
the corn was burned as it was laid over

486
00:17:57,110 --> 00:17:54,880
they weren't snapped they were heated

487
00:17:58,710 --> 00:17:57,120
and you can see those pictures on blt

488
00:18:01,029 --> 00:17:58,720
research online yes

489
00:18:01,830 --> 00:18:01,039
i know nancy yes okay so if you go to

490
00:18:05,029 --> 00:18:01,840
elder yeah

491
00:18:07,270 --> 00:18:05,039
14 uh sheffield crop circles

492
00:18:08,630 --> 00:18:07,280
you'll see it how about that i might uh

493
00:18:09,430 --> 00:18:08,640
during the break i might try to bring up

494
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a screenshot

495
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first of all i want to say i want to do

496
00:18:16,710 --> 00:18:12,960
a little quick shout out

497
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um donna uh was right at the site right

498
00:18:19,350 --> 00:18:17,679
where this park is

499
00:18:21,590 --> 00:18:19,360
earlier today and took these pictures

500
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and sent them to me so uh and she's got

501
00:18:24,870 --> 00:18:22,799
a whole lot posse

502
00:18:26,950 --> 00:18:24,880
of people listening to the show right

503
00:18:28,950 --> 00:18:26,960
now so thanks donna for sending these

504
00:18:31,270 --> 00:18:28,960
along and let's talk about

505
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um the ancient aliens uh that's a

506
00:18:37,029 --> 00:18:33,760
sculpture a sculptor plaque

507
00:18:40,390 --> 00:18:37,039
yeah um uh movie director uh

508
00:18:41,990 --> 00:18:40,400
louis morneau he directed the uh film um

509
00:18:43,510 --> 00:18:42,000
bats blue diamond phillips back in the

510
00:18:46,549 --> 00:18:43,520
day uh

511
00:18:49,669 --> 00:18:46,559
uh retroactive with james bellucci uh

512
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uh the werewolf the beast within us and

513
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uh

514
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i'm mentioning him because his brother

515
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len morneau

516
00:18:57,430 --> 00:18:56,480
is actually the one who sculpted that

517
00:19:01,190 --> 00:18:57,440
sign

518
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with the money that was given to us

519
00:19:04,470 --> 00:19:03,280
through a donation with um ancient

520
00:19:06,789 --> 00:19:04,480
aliens yeah

521
00:19:07,669 --> 00:19:06,799
how about that yeah and we'll talk about

522
00:19:10,470 --> 00:19:07,679
the park on the

523
00:19:11,590 --> 00:19:10,480
in the second hour but let's let's talk

524
00:19:13,590 --> 00:19:11,600
about

525
00:19:15,510 --> 00:19:13,600
um this is something that was

526
00:19:16,789 --> 00:19:15,520
life-changing obviously for you i mean

527
00:19:17,990 --> 00:19:16,799
can you imagine how different your life

528
00:19:19,909 --> 00:19:18,000
would be today if

529
00:19:21,110 --> 00:19:19,919
if this didn't happen i mean who knows

530
00:19:22,470 --> 00:19:21,120
you would have never even taken up

531
00:19:23,909 --> 00:19:22,480
photography maybe

532
00:19:25,669 --> 00:19:23,919
no and i'd probably be still living

533
00:19:28,070 --> 00:19:25,679
there

534
00:19:29,270 --> 00:19:28,080
you know yeah so let's talk about what

535
00:19:32,470 --> 00:19:29,280
happened on september

536
00:19:33,830 --> 00:19:32,480
1st 1969 you were in a parade on a horse

537
00:19:36,789 --> 00:19:33,840
or something like that

538
00:19:37,669 --> 00:19:36,799
i was um i was actually riding a

539
00:19:39,669 --> 00:19:37,679
competition

540
00:19:40,789 --> 00:19:39,679
at ski butternut a ski resort in the

541
00:19:44,549 --> 00:19:40,799
area

542
00:19:47,830 --> 00:19:44,559
and um we uh we're heading back

543
00:19:49,270 --> 00:19:47,840
around uh 7 30 or so to sheffield from

544
00:19:52,070 --> 00:19:49,280
great barrington

545
00:19:54,390 --> 00:19:52,080
and it was a four of us my mother my

546
00:19:57,029 --> 00:19:54,400
grandmother my brother and i

547
00:19:58,310 --> 00:19:57,039
and um and so when we got into the

548
00:20:00,710 --> 00:19:58,320
sheffield area

549
00:20:01,430 --> 00:20:00,720
uh we decided to just swing by the diner

550
00:20:05,190 --> 00:20:01,440
because it was

551
00:20:06,310 --> 00:20:05,200
holiday it was labor day and uh

552
00:20:07,590 --> 00:20:06,320
my mother wanted to make sure it was

553
00:20:08,789 --> 00:20:07,600
ready for the morning you know that kind

554
00:20:10,390 --> 00:20:08,799
of thing make sure the chairs are up

555
00:20:11,669 --> 00:20:10,400
make the night deposit drop

556
00:20:12,870 --> 00:20:11,679
and so we hung out there for a couple of

557
00:20:14,149 --> 00:20:12,880
minutes and it was probably around eight

558
00:20:15,669 --> 00:20:14,159
o'clock which is about the time that

559
00:20:19,029 --> 00:20:15,679
melanie ran into it

560
00:20:19,990 --> 00:20:19,039
back in great barrington and um unknown

561
00:20:22,470 --> 00:20:20,000
to us we kind of turned

562
00:20:23,830 --> 00:20:22,480
around and we're driving back towards it

563
00:20:26,870 --> 00:20:23,840
and we took a shortcut

564
00:20:27,909 --> 00:20:26,880
over the uh sheffield bridge and as we

565
00:20:29,830 --> 00:20:27,919
came through the bridge

566
00:20:30,950 --> 00:20:29,840
um my grandmother noticed a little bleed

567
00:20:35,350 --> 00:20:30,960
of light

568
00:20:37,350 --> 00:20:35,360
um my uh you know my uh

569
00:20:39,430 --> 00:20:37,360
mother grandmother both kind of turned

570
00:20:42,549 --> 00:20:39,440
in our direction because i was giving

571
00:20:43,430 --> 00:20:42,559
uh my brother candy and then off to the

572
00:20:45,270 --> 00:20:43,440
left we saw

573
00:20:46,789 --> 00:20:45,280
again the sphere it's really the spheres

574
00:20:49,430 --> 00:20:46,799
that are seen a lot

575
00:20:51,750 --> 00:20:49,440
and it was probably four times the size

576
00:20:54,950 --> 00:20:51,760
of a volkswagen beetle

577
00:20:58,390 --> 00:20:54,960
and it rose up maybe two stories and

578
00:20:59,510 --> 00:20:58,400
uh it kind of stayed there for a second

579
00:21:01,430 --> 00:20:59,520
it was solid

580
00:21:03,029 --> 00:21:01,440
illuminated very similar to if you were

581
00:21:04,950 --> 00:21:03,039
to picture a uh

582
00:21:06,230 --> 00:21:04,960
a cue ball that was putting out a slight

583
00:21:09,029 --> 00:21:06,240
glow

584
00:21:10,950 --> 00:21:09,039
um it was solid like that it was defined

585
00:21:12,630 --> 00:21:10,960
i used to say like a bubble because the

586
00:21:14,870 --> 00:21:12,640
the outer lip was very

587
00:21:16,070 --> 00:21:14,880
defined but it looked like a glowing cue

588
00:21:18,070 --> 00:21:16,080
ball

589
00:21:19,909 --> 00:21:18,080
and then there were these rods of light

590
00:21:21,430 --> 00:21:19,919
one came down from the left side right

591
00:21:23,110 --> 00:21:21,440
side it could have been more than two

592
00:21:26,070 --> 00:21:23,120
but i remember these rods of light that

593
00:21:28,390 --> 00:21:26,080
were that were probably uh

594
00:21:30,310 --> 00:21:28,400
oh god they were defined almost like

595
00:21:31,990 --> 00:21:30,320
laser white lights that shot

596
00:21:33,990 --> 00:21:32,000
into the water so the thing kind of

597
00:21:36,230 --> 00:21:34,000
formed like an ice cream cone

598
00:21:37,990 --> 00:21:36,240
if that makes sense yeah just to

599
00:21:39,909 --> 00:21:38,000
hesitate for just a second

600
00:21:41,110 --> 00:21:39,919
when you're saying these rods were they

601
00:21:43,990 --> 00:21:41,120
like um

602
00:21:44,789 --> 00:21:44,000
if you could picture them did they have

603
00:21:47,669 --> 00:21:44,799
were they in like

604
00:21:49,750 --> 00:21:47,679
sections or were these like solid rods

605
00:21:50,870 --> 00:21:49,760
no they were a solid beam of light it

606
00:21:53,270 --> 00:21:50,880
was um

607
00:21:55,029 --> 00:21:53,280
you know it was a very focused again it

608
00:21:56,710 --> 00:21:55,039
was um

609
00:21:58,310 --> 00:21:56,720
trying to think now the best way to

610
00:22:00,549 --> 00:21:58,320
describe it it was um

611
00:22:01,669 --> 00:22:00,559
there again all this light that we saw

612
00:22:05,190 --> 00:22:01,679
none of it was a

613
00:22:07,270 --> 00:22:05,200
bleed it was defined light and so

614
00:22:08,470 --> 00:22:07,280
when the these rods that came down i

615
00:22:10,870 --> 00:22:08,480
mean they were

616
00:22:11,590 --> 00:22:10,880
um maybe uh two feet around three feet

617
00:22:15,110 --> 00:22:11,600
they weren't that

618
00:22:18,710 --> 00:22:15,120
big and they just shot into the water

619
00:22:20,710 --> 00:22:18,720
there was no deviation in anything and

620
00:22:22,310 --> 00:22:20,720
and then it either dispersed or went

621
00:22:24,950 --> 00:22:22,320
back inside it

622
00:22:25,590 --> 00:22:24,960
and those lights those beams were gone

623
00:22:28,870 --> 00:22:25,600
and then

624
00:22:31,909 --> 00:22:28,880
it's once that retracted it rose up and

625
00:22:34,549 --> 00:22:31,919
started going behind a line of trees

626
00:22:35,510 --> 00:22:34,559
i wonder um you know not to get stuck on

627
00:22:36,710 --> 00:22:35,520
this but

628
00:22:39,350 --> 00:22:36,720
you know it makes you wonder what the

629
00:22:41,669 --> 00:22:39,360
heck it was doing um you know

630
00:22:42,950 --> 00:22:41,679
yeah that's a good question because

631
00:22:44,870 --> 00:22:42,960
everything that happened

632
00:22:48,710 --> 00:22:44,880
that night that people really

633
00:22:53,029 --> 00:22:50,310
and um you think you've had melanie on

634
00:22:54,470 --> 00:22:53,039
her show i have not had melanie i'd love

635
00:22:57,350 --> 00:22:54,480
to have her on the show though

636
00:22:58,870 --> 00:22:57,360
okay um yeah well she was at lake

637
00:23:00,549 --> 00:22:58,880
mansfield which was only a couple of

638
00:23:03,669 --> 00:23:00,559
miles from where i was

639
00:23:06,070 --> 00:23:03,679
and she was in a car of four and she was

640
00:23:07,350 --> 00:23:06,080
uh she encountered it about a half an

641
00:23:10,630 --> 00:23:07,360
hour before us

642
00:23:11,590 --> 00:23:10,640
and we were in a car for again two miles

643
00:23:14,950 --> 00:23:11,600
away

644
00:23:18,070 --> 00:23:14,960
or to give or take over water

645
00:23:19,669 --> 00:23:18,080
and so i mentioned that because if you

646
00:23:21,350 --> 00:23:19,679
look at the flight path of this thing it

647
00:23:22,950 --> 00:23:21,360
really kind of went around

648
00:23:25,110 --> 00:23:22,960
the housatonic river it kind of followed

649
00:23:26,630 --> 00:23:25,120
the river and of course the river

650
00:23:28,470 --> 00:23:26,640
you know there's a lake not far from the

651
00:23:31,510 --> 00:23:28,480
river and so she ran into it

652
00:23:33,270 --> 00:23:31,520
at the uh at lake mansfield but um

653
00:23:34,549 --> 00:23:33,280
so to give you another you know to kind

654
00:23:37,510 --> 00:23:34,559
of get back to what

655
00:23:38,950 --> 00:23:37,520
we really encountered as we came out the

656
00:23:41,190 --> 00:23:38,960
bridge

657
00:23:42,870 --> 00:23:41,200
the white sphere was off to our left

658
00:23:45,909 --> 00:23:42,880
defined

659
00:23:49,430 --> 00:23:45,919
glowing like a cue ball and then

660
00:23:50,070 --> 00:23:49,440
off to the right was another sphere very

661
00:23:54,230 --> 00:23:50,080
similar

662
00:23:55,990 --> 00:23:54,240
but orange and that one was lower

663
00:23:57,590 --> 00:23:56,000
off the water it was very low to the

664
00:23:59,669 --> 00:23:57,600
water

665
00:24:01,909 --> 00:23:59,679
and so we are actually have one to our

666
00:24:04,870 --> 00:24:01,919
left and one to our right

667
00:24:06,470 --> 00:24:04,880
and we continued to move forward to

668
00:24:08,310 --> 00:24:06,480
where there was a telephone pole

669
00:24:10,630 --> 00:24:08,320
and we kind of pulled off what the

670
00:24:14,230 --> 00:24:10,640
telephone pole was

671
00:24:17,590 --> 00:24:14,240
to see if we could now spot this white

672
00:24:20,230 --> 00:24:17,600
sphere again and um and what we

673
00:24:23,029 --> 00:24:20,240
encountered or saw was this disc and

674
00:24:25,590 --> 00:24:23,039
and so to get this into perspective it

675
00:24:28,549 --> 00:24:25,600
was almost a diamond of three pieces

676
00:24:30,390 --> 00:24:28,559
and we were in the middle of this

677
00:24:32,230 --> 00:24:30,400
triangle if you will of three moving

678
00:24:35,990 --> 00:24:32,240
parts in the car

679
00:24:38,470 --> 00:24:36,000
and um and so we started to feel

680
00:24:39,750 --> 00:24:38,480
odd i think there was like uh like being

681
00:24:45,590 --> 00:24:39,760
underwater you know

682
00:24:47,830 --> 00:24:45,600
a pressure a dead silence

683
00:24:49,990 --> 00:24:47,840
things seem to echo and i say underwater

684
00:24:51,750 --> 00:24:50,000
because there was a tapping or that

685
00:24:53,590 --> 00:24:51,760
from stones that were hitting the

686
00:24:55,269 --> 00:24:53,600
underneath the car and it just seemed

687
00:24:58,310 --> 00:24:55,279
extremely loud

688
00:24:59,669 --> 00:24:58,320
um yet everything else seemed muted it

689
00:25:03,990 --> 00:24:59,679
was uh

690
00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:04,000
we all kind of felt odd you know and

691
00:25:07,830 --> 00:25:06,720
with that it was a hot night the windows

692
00:25:09,510 --> 00:25:07,840
were open

693
00:25:11,750 --> 00:25:09,520
my mother's looking out the passenger

694
00:25:15,110 --> 00:25:11,760
door in the window

695
00:25:17,909 --> 00:25:15,120
i'm looking out the back door window

696
00:25:19,190 --> 00:25:17,919
and off to the left expecting to see the

697
00:25:21,510 --> 00:25:19,200
sphere

698
00:25:23,510 --> 00:25:21,520
this thing started to materialize more

699
00:25:27,190 --> 00:25:23,520
and more it was like the skin

700
00:25:30,390 --> 00:25:27,200
of the craft itself or the disc

701
00:25:31,990 --> 00:25:30,400
seemed to emit a little bit of different

702
00:25:32,950 --> 00:25:32,000
shades of light so the right side was a

703
00:25:35,430 --> 00:25:32,960
little bit

704
00:25:36,549 --> 00:25:35,440
easier to spot than the left and of

705
00:25:37,750 --> 00:25:36,559
course that a little bit of a glow

706
00:25:39,669 --> 00:25:37,760
underneath

707
00:25:41,510 --> 00:25:39,679
it looked like a turtle shell i've said

708
00:25:44,230 --> 00:25:41,520
that since i was a kid

709
00:25:46,310 --> 00:25:44,240
because it looked like the top of it was

710
00:25:49,350 --> 00:25:46,320
very solid it seemed to have um

711
00:25:50,789 --> 00:25:49,360
lines in it of some kind and there was

712
00:25:54,070 --> 00:25:50,799
these ambers um

713
00:25:56,149 --> 00:25:54,080
like gold colors uh a pewter and it

714
00:25:59,750 --> 00:25:56,159
wasn't one solid color

715
00:26:00,470 --> 00:25:59,760
and when the the top of the shell if you

716
00:26:03,510 --> 00:26:00,480
will

717
00:26:05,269 --> 00:26:03,520
bottom

718
00:26:07,350 --> 00:26:05,279
and the center of it was the fattest

719
00:26:08,070 --> 00:26:07,360
part of it all it wasn't like it came to

720
00:26:10,549 --> 00:26:08,080
a point

721
00:26:12,070 --> 00:26:10,559
shiny cool looking now it looked like a

722
00:26:13,990 --> 00:26:12,080
turtle shell on top

723
00:26:16,070 --> 00:26:14,000
matching turtle shell on the bottom and

724
00:26:18,230 --> 00:26:16,080
the center had this really fat

725
00:26:19,510 --> 00:26:18,240
band around it almost you know looked

726
00:26:22,710 --> 00:26:19,520
like a snake skin or

727
00:26:27,190 --> 00:26:22,720
a tire i mean it was fat um

728
00:26:30,390 --> 00:26:27,200
no windows no landing gear um

729
00:26:35,110 --> 00:26:30,400
no anything i mean it was just uh

730
00:26:40,310 --> 00:26:35,120
it just looked like a you know a solid

731
00:26:45,510 --> 00:26:43,350
self-emitting turtle shell

732
00:26:46,630 --> 00:26:45,520
that was about a hundred yards in in

733
00:26:49,830 --> 00:26:46,640
size

734
00:26:51,590 --> 00:26:49,840
now would you say that everyone in

735
00:26:53,029 --> 00:26:51,600
everyone there the four witnesses your

736
00:26:54,549 --> 00:26:53,039
grandmother brother and mother

737
00:26:56,230 --> 00:26:54,559
they all agreed they think it was about

738
00:26:58,950 --> 00:26:56,240
that size oh yeah

739
00:26:59,669 --> 00:26:58,960
jan green uh everybody you know it was

740
00:27:01,990 --> 00:26:59,679
big

741
00:27:03,590 --> 00:27:02,000
i mean everybody who actually really saw

742
00:27:04,950 --> 00:27:03,600
it that night will tell you that it was

743
00:27:07,830 --> 00:27:04,960
about 100 yards

744
00:27:08,870 --> 00:27:07,840
you know um like a football field and if

745
00:27:10,070 --> 00:27:08,880
you were to go to that park today and

746
00:27:11,909 --> 00:27:10,080
look over the field

747
00:27:13,510 --> 00:27:11,919
that's what you'll see i mean you can

748
00:27:14,630 --> 00:27:13,520
see the open area you can see where the

749
00:27:16,789 --> 00:27:14,640
water was

750
00:27:18,870 --> 00:27:16,799
um i could those trees are still there

751
00:27:21,750 --> 00:27:18,880
they're much bigger now but it was

752
00:27:23,510 --> 00:27:21,760
it's massive and so again there's three

753
00:27:25,029 --> 00:27:23,520
moving parts to this thing

754
00:27:26,710 --> 00:27:25,039
we were in the in the center of these

755
00:27:29,430 --> 00:27:26,720
three moving pieces

756
00:27:30,070 --> 00:27:29,440
and um the atmosphere that it got

757
00:27:33,029 --> 00:27:30,080
different

758
00:27:34,950 --> 00:27:33,039
um all of a sudden there was like this

759
00:27:38,470 --> 00:27:34,960
you know the car just lit up

760
00:27:40,149 --> 00:27:38,480
all of a sudden and um you know i could

761
00:27:41,590 --> 00:27:40,159
see the floor i could see the dashboard

762
00:27:43,350 --> 00:27:41,600
i could see the back of my mother's

763
00:27:44,870 --> 00:27:43,360
hair i mean everything it wasn't like a

764
00:27:47,430 --> 00:27:44,880
dome light i mean

765
00:27:47,990 --> 00:27:47,440
everything in that car was brightly lit

766
00:27:51,029 --> 00:27:48,000
up

767
00:27:53,190 --> 00:27:51,039
outside the car and then there was this

768
00:27:56,950 --> 00:27:53,200
eruption acadians and crickets

769
00:27:59,190 --> 00:27:56,960
and frogs and um

770
00:28:00,310 --> 00:27:59,200
when the light was in when the light was

771
00:28:01,909 --> 00:28:00,320
gone light went out

772
00:28:04,149 --> 00:28:01,919
light goes out boom and all of a sudden

773
00:28:05,190 --> 00:28:04,159
you hear this like everything just kind

774
00:28:07,669 --> 00:28:05,200
of came back

775
00:28:08,470 --> 00:28:07,679
to normal you know the normal sounds of

776
00:28:09,669 --> 00:28:08,480
a night

777
00:28:11,590 --> 00:28:09,679
yeah it was like when this thing

778
00:28:13,909 --> 00:28:11,600
happened it was like whatever affected

779
00:28:15,269 --> 00:28:13,919
us affected everything around us you

780
00:28:17,990 --> 00:28:15,279
know it was just that affected

781
00:28:18,549 --> 00:28:18,000
everything and um and so you didn't hear

782
00:28:19,909 --> 00:28:18,559
a sound

783
00:28:22,549 --> 00:28:19,919
like i said it was like being submerged

784
00:28:25,669 --> 00:28:22,559
under water you know it's like

785
00:28:26,149 --> 00:28:25,679
nothing and then it just flipped in a

786
00:28:29,669 --> 00:28:26,159
matter of

787
00:28:31,510 --> 00:28:29,679
like a second and and your body picks up

788
00:28:32,470 --> 00:28:31,520
on that we picked up you know everybody

789
00:28:35,190 --> 00:28:32,480
felt it

790
00:28:36,310 --> 00:28:35,200
and then it was like life just came back

791
00:28:38,389 --> 00:28:36,320
to

792
00:28:39,669 --> 00:28:38,399
normal now there's a couple things i

793
00:28:41,350 --> 00:28:39,679
want to mention about that

794
00:28:43,110 --> 00:28:41,360
i don't know if it was us that never

795
00:28:45,430 --> 00:28:43,120
heard it right because i don't know if

796
00:28:46,070 --> 00:28:45,440
it was something that affected us so we

797
00:28:48,310 --> 00:28:46,080
were

798
00:28:49,269 --> 00:28:48,320
muted from hearing it normally or was it

799
00:28:50,549 --> 00:28:49,279
really

800
00:28:52,230 --> 00:28:50,559
you know happening in the way that it

801
00:28:53,590 --> 00:28:52,240
affected us because it muted us did it

802
00:28:55,029 --> 00:28:53,600
mute everything else or what we just

803
00:28:56,789 --> 00:28:55,039
muted so we didn't hear it

804
00:28:58,870 --> 00:28:56,799
so but then again we heard tapping

805
00:29:01,990 --> 00:28:58,880
sounds like um like an mri machine like

806
00:29:03,990 --> 00:29:02,000
that and then what sounded like stones

807
00:29:05,669 --> 00:29:04,000
underneath the car so

808
00:29:07,669 --> 00:29:05,679
this thing put off these three pieces

809
00:29:10,789 --> 00:29:07,679
put off some type of a field that was

810
00:29:11,350 --> 00:29:10,799
that affected um you know not only us

811
00:29:13,909 --> 00:29:11,360
but

812
00:29:15,669 --> 00:29:13,919
the surrounding area and then i remember

813
00:29:19,190 --> 00:29:15,679
being in um

814
00:29:22,950 --> 00:29:19,200
and like a uh an airplane hangar

815
00:29:24,230 --> 00:29:22,960
um you know uh sliding off a table onto

816
00:29:27,909 --> 00:29:24,240
the floor

817
00:29:30,630 --> 00:29:27,919
um you know seeing uh what looked like

818
00:29:31,830 --> 00:29:30,640
single fluorescent tubes from the wall

819
00:29:33,909 --> 00:29:31,840
to the ceiling

820
00:29:34,870 --> 00:29:33,919
um in this area that i was it was

821
00:29:37,269 --> 00:29:34,880
probably

822
00:29:38,549 --> 00:29:37,279
i don't know i'm gonna guess at least 50

823
00:29:40,950 --> 00:29:38,559
yards um

824
00:29:42,230 --> 00:29:40,960
long and 50 yards wide maybe almost like

825
00:29:44,630 --> 00:29:42,240
a square

826
00:29:45,750 --> 00:29:44,640
and so um so just let me just ask this

827
00:29:48,789 --> 00:29:45,760
so was it

828
00:29:49,590 --> 00:29:48,799
almost like you sort of woke up and this

829
00:29:51,750 --> 00:29:49,600
was happening

830
00:29:54,230 --> 00:29:51,760
like or did it all seem like it just

831
00:29:57,190 --> 00:29:54,240
happened together

832
00:29:57,909 --> 00:29:57,200
no when we um when that flash and and

833
00:30:01,190 --> 00:29:57,919
everything

834
00:30:03,590 --> 00:30:01,200
we heard just erupted and then

835
00:30:04,230 --> 00:30:03,600
it was like we were out somehow after

836
00:30:07,510 --> 00:30:04,240
that

837
00:30:10,710 --> 00:30:07,520
just remember you know

838
00:30:12,230 --> 00:30:10,720
next thing i know i'm i'm in in this um

839
00:30:14,230 --> 00:30:12,240
you know it was a long time ago too but

840
00:30:17,269 --> 00:30:14,240
we all kind of do the same thing but

841
00:30:18,149 --> 00:30:17,279
it wasn't like we remember being taken

842
00:30:20,070 --> 00:30:18,159
out of the vehicle

843
00:30:21,590 --> 00:30:20,080
he wasn't really careful how to word

844
00:30:22,470 --> 00:30:21,600
that because i don't know how we left

845
00:30:24,470 --> 00:30:22,480
the vehicle

846
00:30:26,149 --> 00:30:24,480
yeah you know some sensitive to i don't

847
00:30:27,990 --> 00:30:26,159
want to overstep

848
00:30:29,669 --> 00:30:28,000
you know how we got from the vehicle to

849
00:30:31,029 --> 00:30:29,679
where we were i don't know if we were

850
00:30:32,310 --> 00:30:31,039
underground i don't know if we were on a

851
00:30:34,389 --> 00:30:32,320
craft i don't know where we were

852
00:30:35,350 --> 00:30:34,399
i don't know i never saw where we were

853
00:30:38,070 --> 00:30:35,360
from the outside

854
00:30:39,510 --> 00:30:38,080
you know what i mean but wherever we

855
00:30:42,630 --> 00:30:39,520
were was big

856
00:30:44,389 --> 00:30:42,640
you know these were big rooms um

857
00:30:46,470 --> 00:30:44,399
and i was grabbed really hard on my left

858
00:30:49,430 --> 00:30:46,480
arm and i was pushed out a door at the

859
00:30:52,549 --> 00:30:51,350
i say airplane hangar i'm not saying it

860
00:30:54,149 --> 00:30:52,559
was i'm saying it remember

861
00:30:55,750 --> 00:30:54,159
you know reminding me of that that's how

862
00:30:58,389 --> 00:30:55,760
i remember it um

863
00:30:59,350 --> 00:30:58,399
and then out this door and down a

864
00:31:02,389 --> 00:30:59,360
hallway that was had

865
00:31:05,590 --> 00:31:02,399
tall tall walls

866
00:31:07,029 --> 00:31:05,600
uh you know it's white um

867
00:31:08,950 --> 00:31:07,039
and it wasn't like these walls these

868
00:31:11,509 --> 00:31:08,960
hallways were curved they went

869
00:31:13,430 --> 00:31:11,519
in you know they went to you know i was

870
00:31:15,669 --> 00:31:13,440
walking straight down it came to a t

871
00:31:17,590 --> 00:31:15,679
you know so it was no you know it was

872
00:31:19,909 --> 00:31:17,600
very uh

873
00:31:21,830 --> 00:31:19,919
you know elementary by design i guess or

874
00:31:23,669 --> 00:31:21,840
um it seemed very militant to me this

875
00:31:25,269 --> 00:31:23,679
whole night you know i was taken into a

876
00:31:28,070 --> 00:31:25,279
room i was put on a table

877
00:31:29,350 --> 00:31:28,080
i sat there i remember a big boat in

878
00:31:32,310 --> 00:31:29,360
glass

879
00:31:34,870 --> 00:31:32,320
um like if you were an mri center um the

880
00:31:38,070 --> 00:31:34,880
table i was on reminded me a lot

881
00:31:39,909 --> 00:31:38,080
of a uh an autopsy table you know

882
00:31:41,269 --> 00:31:39,919
had the single pole in the middle of it

883
00:31:42,549 --> 00:31:41,279
it was a long time ago so i'm trying to

884
00:31:43,830 --> 00:31:42,559
remember all this but that's kind of how

885
00:31:45,110 --> 00:31:43,840
i remember it

886
00:31:46,950 --> 00:31:45,120
was some lighting do you remember what

887
00:31:47,430 --> 00:31:46,960
the lighting was like in this everything

888
00:31:49,990 --> 00:31:47,440
just

889
00:31:50,710 --> 00:31:50,000
seemed to emit its own light i mean i

890
00:31:51,909 --> 00:31:50,720
don't remember

891
00:31:54,149 --> 00:31:51,919
seeing lights you know what i mean

892
00:31:55,750 --> 00:31:54,159
except in that long that one

893
00:31:57,269 --> 00:31:55,760
area that i was in at first i saw the

894
00:31:59,430 --> 00:31:57,279
little single light space

895
00:32:01,029 --> 00:31:59,440
it was just enough so i could see a

896
00:32:02,710 --> 00:32:01,039
little bit to know that i think i was in

897
00:32:04,149 --> 00:32:02,720
an empty area

898
00:32:05,750 --> 00:32:04,159
um and again you know these this

899
00:32:07,750 --> 00:32:05,760
happened a long time ago but

900
00:32:09,509 --> 00:32:07,760
yeah um but the thing is i drew these

901
00:32:09,830 --> 00:32:09,519
things we sketched these things as kids

902
00:32:11,430 --> 00:32:09,840
and i

903
00:32:13,269 --> 00:32:11,440
have had them all my life you know and

904
00:32:16,070 --> 00:32:13,279
i've re-sketched them of course

905
00:32:17,350 --> 00:32:16,080
but um but that's kind of how i kept a

906
00:32:20,549 --> 00:32:17,360
lot of those fresh

907
00:32:22,310 --> 00:32:20,559
yup that's a great idea i mean whoever

908
00:32:23,590 --> 00:32:22,320
i don't know maybe your mother suggested

909
00:32:25,909 --> 00:32:23,600
that whoever it was

910
00:32:26,830 --> 00:32:25,919
good idea yeah my father is a lawyer

911
00:32:30,310 --> 00:32:26,840
he's like doc

912
00:32:31,350 --> 00:32:30,320
everything yeah yeah that was the thing

913
00:32:33,750 --> 00:32:31,360
document everything

914
00:32:35,830 --> 00:32:33,760
i still do that today and you said pete

915
00:32:39,110 --> 00:32:35,840
you said people you you saw

916
00:32:39,909 --> 00:32:39,120
you saw like you think other regular

917
00:32:42,630 --> 00:32:39,919
people

918
00:32:43,350 --> 00:32:42,640
or oh no i um and that's another thing

919
00:32:46,549 --> 00:32:43,360
for me too

920
00:32:47,430 --> 00:32:46,559
i try not to um i want to be careful

921
00:32:50,950 --> 00:32:47,440
here but

922
00:32:51,509 --> 00:32:50,960
yeah i was small i was little right i

923
00:32:54,549 --> 00:32:51,519
was i was

924
00:32:56,230 --> 00:32:54,559
about 10 basically um and whoever

925
00:32:59,350 --> 00:32:56,240
grabbed my arm wasn't that

926
00:33:00,789 --> 00:32:59,360
much bigger than me but was strong and

927
00:33:02,389 --> 00:33:00,799
i've tried to i've

928
00:33:04,149 --> 00:33:02,399
tried to reference i think there were

929
00:33:06,870 --> 00:33:04,159
hybrids that grabbed me i mean i

930
00:33:07,269 --> 00:33:06,880
i don't it didn't strike me as what you

931
00:33:09,830 --> 00:33:07,279
see

932
00:33:11,350 --> 00:33:09,840
other people you know uh describing or

933
00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:11,360
depictions that other people have you

934
00:33:15,110 --> 00:33:12,000
know

935
00:33:18,549 --> 00:33:15,120
i don't it didn't look like what is

936
00:33:20,710 --> 00:33:18,559
considered a gray you know um

937
00:33:23,110 --> 00:33:20,720
it just looked and it felt like a very

938
00:33:24,630 --> 00:33:23,120
strong smaller person that grabbed me

939
00:33:26,149 --> 00:33:24,640
and again i can't remember i was a long

940
00:33:29,509 --> 00:33:26,159
time ago but

941
00:33:33,350 --> 00:33:29,519
when i was taking out this this door

942
00:33:36,549 --> 00:33:33,360
he stood behind me and had my left arm

943
00:33:39,830 --> 00:33:36,559
in his hand it wasn't like i was pulled

944
00:33:43,029 --> 00:33:39,840
i was pushed right

945
00:33:45,269 --> 00:33:43,039
so it was off to my back left side

946
00:33:47,269 --> 00:33:45,279
and so i really didn't wasn't turning i

947
00:33:49,669 --> 00:33:47,279
don't got that image in my head

948
00:33:50,950 --> 00:33:49,679
of what it looked like or who he what he

949
00:33:52,789 --> 00:33:50,960
looked like but

950
00:33:54,230 --> 00:33:52,799
that was the way i was taken all the way

951
00:33:56,470 --> 00:33:54,240
through this room down the hallway and

952
00:33:59,509 --> 00:33:56,480
into that room with the glaston wall

953
00:34:00,470 --> 00:33:59,519
and that glaston area wall was huge it

954
00:34:02,149 --> 00:34:00,480
reminded me now

955
00:34:03,750 --> 00:34:02,159
if i look back and i say what would be

956
00:34:07,350 --> 00:34:03,760
the closest thing i could reference that

957
00:34:07,830 --> 00:34:07,360
you know those glass bricks that you use

958
00:34:09,270 --> 00:34:07,840
to make

959
00:34:10,869 --> 00:34:09,280
dividers in a home or whatever those

960
00:34:12,950 --> 00:34:10,879
black blocks

961
00:34:15,349 --> 00:34:12,960
something like that but again a boat

962
00:34:19,190 --> 00:34:15,359
inward and on each corner

963
00:34:22,629 --> 00:34:19,200
was a door that went out to a hallway

964
00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:22,639
so i'm sitting on on that table and

965
00:34:25,909 --> 00:34:24,240
off to my left there was what looked

966
00:34:28,869 --> 00:34:25,919
like an insect

967
00:34:30,629 --> 00:34:28,879
you know like an ant type thing um with

968
00:34:32,149 --> 00:34:30,639
like a football shaped head i've talked

969
00:34:34,069 --> 00:34:32,159
about it my whole life

970
00:34:35,909 --> 00:34:34,079
again i'd make references i was a kid it

971
00:34:39,430 --> 00:34:35,919
looked like a football

972
00:34:41,589 --> 00:34:39,440
and um when you say a football like

973
00:34:42,470 --> 00:34:41,599
the pointy part of a football like the

974
00:34:45,990 --> 00:34:42,480
the nose

975
00:34:49,430 --> 00:34:46,000
if they're you or the face right

976
00:34:52,950 --> 00:34:49,440
yeah and and i had the again um

977
00:34:55,990 --> 00:34:52,960
bamboo like legs uh the body looked

978
00:34:57,190 --> 00:34:56,000
very mushroom colored um you know

979
00:34:57,990 --> 00:34:57,200
they've asked me what the hands look

980
00:34:59,349 --> 00:34:58,000
like i

981
00:35:01,109 --> 00:34:59,359
i don't remember anything other than

982
00:35:02,630 --> 00:35:01,119
what look like normal hands i keep

983
00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:02,640
thinking to myself well

984
00:35:06,630 --> 00:35:04,320
was it you know engineered was it

985
00:35:07,670 --> 00:35:06,640
robotic was it you know a combination of

986
00:35:09,589 --> 00:35:07,680
the two

987
00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:09,599
you know um genetically engineered

988
00:35:12,310 --> 00:35:11,280
whatever it was it looked like an

989
00:35:15,990 --> 00:35:12,320
intelligent type

990
00:35:18,550 --> 00:35:16,000
of bug but i i ran i

991
00:35:20,150 --> 00:35:18,560
jumped off the table i ran out here's

992
00:35:23,589 --> 00:35:20,160
something else right

993
00:35:26,630 --> 00:35:23,599
i would go from feeling calm

994
00:35:28,390 --> 00:35:26,640
to being having anxiety

995
00:35:29,990 --> 00:35:28,400
you know i went back and forth it wasn't

996
00:35:31,910 --> 00:35:30,000
like i stayed in one type of

997
00:35:33,430 --> 00:35:31,920
state and i don't know why that was

998
00:35:35,109 --> 00:35:33,440
because at one point i remember sitting

999
00:35:36,790 --> 00:35:35,119
there and i was fine

1000
00:35:38,470 --> 00:35:36,800
and then i remember feeling very scared

1001
00:35:41,430 --> 00:35:38,480
and running yeah

1002
00:35:41,990 --> 00:35:41,440
and uh so i ran out this door to the

1003
00:35:43,910 --> 00:35:42,000
right

1004
00:35:45,349 --> 00:35:43,920
then i came into this large open area

1005
00:35:45,829 --> 00:35:45,359
that reminded me like if you were to be

1006
00:35:49,109 --> 00:35:45,839
in a

1007
00:35:51,990 --> 00:35:49,119
empty walmart

1008
00:35:52,870 --> 00:35:52,000
and it was like that big but it was

1009
00:35:54,870 --> 00:35:52,880
round

1010
00:35:56,069 --> 00:35:54,880
and it had three intersecting hallways

1011
00:35:57,589 --> 00:35:56,079
to it it had

1012
00:35:59,589 --> 00:35:57,599
one hallway off to my right that was

1013
00:36:02,710 --> 00:35:59,599
probably as wide as a two-lane road

1014
00:36:05,430 --> 00:36:02,720
and another one maybe at uh

1015
00:36:05,750 --> 00:36:05,440
i'd say like uh two o'clock was another

1016
00:36:07,430 --> 00:36:05,760
one

1017
00:36:09,190 --> 00:36:07,440
so two o'clock and five o'clock there

1018
00:36:10,069 --> 00:36:09,200
were these hallways that came into the

1019
00:36:12,870 --> 00:36:10,079
circle

1020
00:36:13,589 --> 00:36:12,880
and then off to the left um at nine

1021
00:36:17,349 --> 00:36:13,599
o'clock

1022
00:36:21,190 --> 00:36:17,359
it was twice as fat so it was like a y

1023
00:36:24,470 --> 00:36:21,200
that in my eyes was

1024
00:36:27,829 --> 00:36:24,480
engineered or designed to control the

1025
00:36:28,630 --> 00:36:27,839
flow of traffic so you had a long

1026
00:36:30,150 --> 00:36:28,640
hallway come

1027
00:36:31,670 --> 00:36:30,160
you know wide hallway coming into this

1028
00:36:33,430 --> 00:36:31,680
big open circle

1029
00:36:35,670 --> 00:36:33,440
and then you had two choices of ways to

1030
00:36:37,589 --> 00:36:35,680
go but that round area i'm thinking

1031
00:36:39,910 --> 00:36:37,599
maybe that allowed for people to

1032
00:36:42,069 --> 00:36:39,920
flow but that's what it looked like a

1033
00:36:44,950 --> 00:36:42,079
big round circle with a y in it

1034
00:36:45,990 --> 00:36:44,960
and the bottom of the y was very fat and

1035
00:37:01,589 --> 00:36:46,000
i

1036
00:37:05,589 --> 00:37:01,599
an autopsy table

1037
00:37:06,710 --> 00:37:05,599
and it rose and a top piece lowered and

1038
00:37:09,910 --> 00:37:06,720
it looked like a cage

1039
00:37:10,630 --> 00:37:09,920
that came over me uh the cage was in two

1040
00:37:13,589 --> 00:37:10,640
different

1041
00:37:15,109 --> 00:37:13,599
sections the bottom lowered and i

1042
00:37:16,069 --> 00:37:15,119
believed at one point to keep me in

1043
00:37:17,750 --> 00:37:16,079
place

1044
00:37:21,109 --> 00:37:17,760
the top one came over that there were

1045
00:37:24,310 --> 00:37:21,119
holes that lined up with the two cages

1046
00:37:25,750 --> 00:37:24,320
and they were these packets that looked

1047
00:37:28,950 --> 00:37:25,760
like uh

1048
00:37:33,030 --> 00:37:28,960
like a big raisin big black raisin

1049
00:37:36,390 --> 00:37:33,040
and they were placed on my body and uh

1050
00:37:38,630 --> 00:37:36,400
at that point i i kind of went out um

1051
00:37:40,470 --> 00:37:38,640
i don't remember a whole lot until i

1052
00:37:42,390 --> 00:37:40,480
woke up briefly back in that room where

1053
00:37:53,510 --> 00:37:42,400
the

1054
00:37:56,310 --> 00:37:53,520
back in in

1055
00:37:57,750 --> 00:37:56,320
in the car but i was not i heard i heard

1056
00:37:59,109 --> 00:37:57,760
voices by the way i heard voices while i

1057
00:38:02,550 --> 00:37:59,119
was in there

1058
00:38:03,910 --> 00:38:02,560
um in the room before i um my mother

1059
00:38:05,030 --> 00:38:03,920
said she was calling for me i want to

1060
00:38:06,550 --> 00:38:05,040
believe it was her

1061
00:38:08,710 --> 00:38:06,560
my brother kind of remembers my mother

1062
00:38:10,150 --> 00:38:08,720
calling um

1063
00:38:11,990 --> 00:38:10,160
my grandmother by the way was the most

1064
00:38:14,870 --> 00:38:12,000
traumatized from that night but

1065
00:38:16,470 --> 00:38:14,880
when we got back in the car now the

1066
00:38:18,950 --> 00:38:16,480
ignition was off

1067
00:38:21,349 --> 00:38:18,960
it was running when my mother stopped it

1068
00:38:23,589 --> 00:38:21,359
the lights were off obviously

1069
00:38:24,630 --> 00:38:23,599
um my grandmother was now in the

1070
00:38:29,190 --> 00:38:24,640
driver's seat

1071
00:38:31,109 --> 00:38:29,200
turned the ignition and um

1072
00:38:32,470 --> 00:38:31,119
not really knowing at the time why she

1073
00:38:34,710 --> 00:38:32,480
was in a driver's seat

1074
00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:34,720
my mother was still unconscious not

1075
00:38:38,069 --> 00:38:35,760
responding

1076
00:38:40,630 --> 00:38:38,079
i was out my brother was out i was told

1077
00:38:43,510 --> 00:38:40,640
my brother's head was on my knee

1078
00:38:45,270 --> 00:38:43,520
um nana didn't really drive much she

1079
00:38:47,670 --> 00:38:45,280
didn't have a car

1080
00:38:48,950 --> 00:38:47,680
she would drive on occasion but you know

1081
00:38:52,870 --> 00:38:48,960
she

1082
00:38:55,349 --> 00:38:52,880
the day uh

1083
00:38:56,710 --> 00:38:55,359
you know she didn't drive but um so she

1084
00:38:57,670 --> 00:38:56,720
had to find a way to turn that car

1085
00:38:59,190 --> 00:38:57,680
around

1086
00:39:01,510 --> 00:38:59,200
to go back to town for help because

1087
00:39:04,790 --> 00:39:01,520
nobody in the car was responding to her

1088
00:39:07,829 --> 00:39:04,800
and so she went down old you know

1089
00:39:08,470 --> 00:39:07,839
the road there turned around and um had

1090
00:39:10,069 --> 00:39:08,480
gone in

1091
00:39:12,829 --> 00:39:10,079
back toward sheffield gun over the

1092
00:39:14,950 --> 00:39:12,839
bridge again up on route 7 and into

1093
00:39:16,550 --> 00:39:14,960
sheffield and when she got to sheffield

1094
00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:16,560
for whatever reason she said she missed

1095
00:39:21,349 --> 00:39:18,240
the first entrance into

1096
00:39:22,550 --> 00:39:21,359
the green had gone down and and turned

1097
00:39:25,030 --> 00:39:22,560
around and gone back

1098
00:39:26,470 --> 00:39:25,040
again heading towards ray barrington but

1099
00:39:28,630 --> 00:39:26,480
and by doing so

1100
00:39:31,510 --> 00:39:28,640
when she got out of her driver's door

1101
00:39:34,950 --> 00:39:31,520
that was right at the entrance to silks

1102
00:39:37,030 --> 00:39:34,960
which is a convenience store in town and

1103
00:39:38,630 --> 00:39:37,040
i don't know if it was a door slamming

1104
00:39:40,630 --> 00:39:38,640
when she got out or why but i was a

1105
00:39:42,790 --> 00:39:40,640
second one to come to

1106
00:39:44,150 --> 00:39:42,800
and i just remember at first seeing my

1107
00:39:45,670 --> 00:39:44,160
grandmother kind of like over the

1108
00:39:46,790 --> 00:39:45,680
steering wheel in the car walking into

1109
00:39:48,790 --> 00:39:46,800
the store

1110
00:39:50,150 --> 00:39:48,800
and my brother was out my mother was

1111
00:39:52,390 --> 00:39:50,160
unconscious

1112
00:39:53,349 --> 00:39:52,400
and i was like in a fog and the only

1113
00:39:55,910 --> 00:39:53,359
person

1114
00:39:58,390 --> 00:39:55,920
that was i could tell was conscious was

1115
00:40:01,589 --> 00:39:58,400
my grandmother so i kind of ran to her

1116
00:40:04,870 --> 00:40:01,599
to um you know nana

1117
00:40:06,550 --> 00:40:04,880
and follow her into the store she looked

1118
00:40:08,390 --> 00:40:06,560
wiped right by the clerk which is weird

1119
00:40:09,670 --> 00:40:08,400
too because she went there for help

1120
00:40:12,230 --> 00:40:09,680
and she ended up in the back of the

1121
00:40:13,349 --> 00:40:12,240
store um and i was trying to grab her

1122
00:40:15,349 --> 00:40:13,359
hand and there was a bunch of stuff in

1123
00:40:17,030 --> 00:40:15,359
the way carriages and carts and

1124
00:40:19,190 --> 00:40:17,040
you know i used to mention a lot that

1125
00:40:20,710 --> 00:40:19,200
she was pushing this baby carriage and i

1126
00:40:21,190 --> 00:40:20,720
was trying to grab her arm and she

1127
00:40:27,030 --> 00:40:21,200
didn't

1128
00:40:31,190 --> 00:40:29,430
and uh i was trying to pull her through

1129
00:40:34,550 --> 00:40:31,200
stuff which was weird

1130
00:40:37,589 --> 00:40:34,560
um i i don't know and um

1131
00:40:40,150 --> 00:40:37,599
and so she came back around stopped in

1132
00:40:42,230 --> 00:40:40,160
front of the clerk

1133
00:40:43,430 --> 00:40:42,240
and i at that point i remember standing

1134
00:40:44,870 --> 00:40:43,440
behind her

1135
00:40:46,710 --> 00:40:44,880
and i don't know what was said but there

1136
00:40:48,390 --> 00:40:46,720
was no paramedics no police came

1137
00:40:50,230 --> 00:40:48,400
there was nobody that actually came to

1138
00:40:52,550 --> 00:40:50,240
help her

1139
00:40:54,150 --> 00:40:52,560
and she walked back outside and i went

1140
00:40:54,550 --> 00:40:54,160
with her and my mother at that point was

1141
00:40:57,750 --> 00:40:54,560
up

1142
00:40:59,030 --> 00:40:57,760
and she was outside the car

1143
00:41:01,910 --> 00:40:59,040
and my but my brother was still

1144
00:41:04,829 --> 00:41:01,920
unconscious in the back seat

1145
00:41:06,309 --> 00:41:04,839
and we got it back in the car and drove

1146
00:41:09,430 --> 00:41:06,319
home

1147
00:41:10,710 --> 00:41:09,440
and so it's strange because

1148
00:41:12,870 --> 00:41:10,720
we all came out of this thing at a

1149
00:41:13,430 --> 00:41:12,880
different time my brother was the

1150
00:41:17,270 --> 00:41:13,440
smallest

1151
00:41:19,109 --> 00:41:17,280
he was the last one to come to um

1152
00:41:21,270 --> 00:41:19,119
it didn't really go by weight because i

1153
00:41:23,030 --> 00:41:21,280
was second and my mother was

1154
00:41:24,550 --> 00:41:23,040
you know i was only 10 so my mother

1155
00:41:25,670 --> 00:41:24,560
would have been my mother my grandmother

1156
00:41:28,630 --> 00:41:25,680
myself and my son

1157
00:41:29,589 --> 00:41:28,640
i'm sorry my brother if um we were to go

1158
00:41:33,190 --> 00:41:29,599
by size

1159
00:41:34,790 --> 00:41:33,200
and age so i don't know why we came to

1160
00:41:37,510 --> 00:41:34,800
at different times

1161
00:41:38,470 --> 00:41:37,520
but we were all basically up as we drove

1162
00:41:40,230 --> 00:41:38,480
away

1163
00:41:42,230 --> 00:41:40,240
so from the time it like took my

1164
00:41:43,990 --> 00:41:42,240
grandmother to

1165
00:41:45,430 --> 00:41:44,000
to turn that car around and go back into

1166
00:41:49,510 --> 00:41:45,440
town

1167
00:41:52,870 --> 00:41:49,520
couldn't have been more than six minutes

1168
00:41:53,510 --> 00:41:52,880
you know but it took that long for us

1169
00:41:56,950 --> 00:41:53,520
all to come

1170
00:41:58,309 --> 00:41:56,960
out of whatever this was and um

1171
00:41:59,670 --> 00:41:58,319
i thought for the longest time those

1172
00:42:00,710 --> 00:41:59,680
packets that were put in my body might

1173
00:42:05,510 --> 00:42:00,720
have had something that

1174
00:42:08,309 --> 00:42:05,520
my body absorbed you know um

1175
00:42:09,589 --> 00:42:08,319
but and so the next morning we you know

1176
00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:09,599
we um

1177
00:42:12,630 --> 00:42:12,240
got up and opened up the restaurant and

1178
00:42:15,030 --> 00:42:12,640
um

1179
00:42:15,750 --> 00:42:15,040
at that point we had heard the broadcast

1180
00:42:17,750 --> 00:42:15,760
coming

1181
00:42:19,030 --> 00:42:17,760
from wsbs and the people had called in

1182
00:42:22,150 --> 00:42:19,040
the night before

1183
00:42:24,309 --> 00:42:22,160
uh that had seen it you know and

1184
00:42:26,390 --> 00:42:24,319
unknown to us that night there were a

1185
00:42:29,670 --> 00:42:26,400
lot of calls coming in to wsbs

1186
00:42:32,390 --> 00:42:29,680
and the sheffield police um

1187
00:42:33,990 --> 00:42:32,400
so it occurs to me now i'm like when we

1188
00:42:35,829 --> 00:42:34,000
went to silks and said

1189
00:42:37,109 --> 00:42:35,839
you know something happened we're not

1190
00:42:38,790 --> 00:42:37,119
sure what what happened like my

1191
00:42:40,150 --> 00:42:38,800
grandmother was at silks

1192
00:42:41,589 --> 00:42:40,160
all those calls were actually coming

1193
00:42:42,950 --> 00:42:41,599
into the local police department at the

1194
00:42:44,710 --> 00:42:42,960
same time

1195
00:42:47,270 --> 00:42:44,720
but there was that disconnect you know

1196
00:42:47,750 --> 00:42:47,280
like the guy from silks obviously didn't

1197
00:42:49,670 --> 00:42:47,760
know that

1198
00:42:51,910 --> 00:42:49,680
there were calls coming in so there was

1199
00:42:53,109 --> 00:42:51,920
really no

1200
00:42:54,150 --> 00:42:53,119
you know what do you how do you ask for

1201
00:42:55,190 --> 00:42:54,160
help for something you don't know what

1202
00:42:56,950 --> 00:42:55,200
you need help for right i got

1203
00:42:58,790 --> 00:42:56,960
unconscious people in the car

1204
00:43:00,069 --> 00:42:58,800
right but you don't really realize that

1205
00:43:03,109 --> 00:43:00,079
so many other people were

1206
00:43:04,710 --> 00:43:03,119
calling into town anyway so

1207
00:43:06,230 --> 00:43:04,720
um there was a little bit of a

1208
00:43:07,190 --> 00:43:06,240
disconnect there but so the next morning

1209
00:43:08,150 --> 00:43:07,200
when everything was coming over the

1210
00:43:11,750 --> 00:43:08,160
radio

1211
00:43:11,990 --> 00:43:11,760
um no it was uh we had kids in there we

1212
00:43:15,030 --> 00:43:12,000
had

1213
00:43:18,230 --> 00:43:15,040
uh parents and coffee and

1214
00:43:20,630 --> 00:43:18,240
and our diner was packed you know um

1215
00:43:22,470 --> 00:43:20,640
and of course over the radio um so and

1216
00:43:24,150 --> 00:43:22,480
so what was that that we saw last night

1217
00:43:24,950 --> 00:43:24,160
i saw something in the field i saw

1218
00:43:26,630 --> 00:43:24,960
something in

1219
00:43:28,710 --> 00:43:26,640
you know stockbridge i saw something i

1220
00:43:31,910 --> 00:43:28,720
like mansfield you know

1221
00:43:36,550 --> 00:43:31,920
and so that incident

1222
00:43:40,230 --> 00:43:36,560
was the one that really gained the

1223
00:43:42,230 --> 00:43:40,240
the uh support of the community

1224
00:43:44,550 --> 00:43:42,240
because a lot of people had seen

1225
00:43:46,309 --> 00:43:44,560
something in 66 and 67

1226
00:43:47,670 --> 00:43:46,319
even melanie from unsolved mysteries was

1227
00:43:50,710 --> 00:43:47,680
part of that group

1228
00:43:51,910 --> 00:43:50,720
um and yet uh

1229
00:43:53,270 --> 00:43:51,920
you know a lot of people didn't believe

1230
00:43:54,950 --> 00:43:53,280
them at the time right let's face it you

1231
00:43:55,750 --> 00:43:54,960
know it's a tough thing for people to

1232
00:43:57,910 --> 00:43:55,760
accept

1233
00:43:59,190 --> 00:43:57,920
yeah let me just let me just backtrack

1234
00:44:02,550 --> 00:43:59,200
just a little bit so

1235
00:44:05,430 --> 00:44:02,560
sure what was it like on the ride home

1236
00:44:05,910 --> 00:44:05,440
and at home how does a family recover

1237
00:44:08,150 --> 00:44:05,920
from

1238
00:44:10,470 --> 00:44:08,160
something like that what was that night

1239
00:44:12,790 --> 00:44:10,480
like you know

1240
00:44:14,150 --> 00:44:12,800
we were kind of just i think in awe you

1241
00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:14,160
know um

1242
00:44:19,510 --> 00:44:15,760
it's interesting because my mother had

1243
00:44:23,109 --> 00:44:19,520
her first experience in 1954.

1244
00:44:24,150 --> 00:44:23,119
my mother so yeah in gooseneck lake

1245
00:44:26,069 --> 00:44:24,160
maine

1246
00:44:27,349 --> 00:44:26,079
with my mother's brother and his

1247
00:44:30,390 --> 00:44:27,359
girlfriend kip

1248
00:44:34,309 --> 00:44:30,400
so my mother had seen something

1249
00:44:38,470 --> 00:44:34,319
prior to this and in 66 and 67

1250
00:44:40,950 --> 00:44:38,480
unknown to us she was kind of um

1251
00:44:42,309 --> 00:44:40,960
i guess uh she wasn't novice to it or

1252
00:44:46,390 --> 00:44:42,319
ignorant to it

1253
00:44:48,710 --> 00:44:46,400
um what was happening in the area so

1254
00:44:50,470 --> 00:44:48,720
what yeah so to give you an idea like

1255
00:44:51,670 --> 00:44:50,480
when we were going home

1256
00:44:53,349 --> 00:44:51,680
you know it wasn't the first time you

1257
00:44:54,950 --> 00:44:53,359
experienced something but it was very

1258
00:44:57,030 --> 00:44:54,960
different 69 was much

1259
00:44:58,550 --> 00:44:57,040
different than 67 much different than

1260
00:45:01,589 --> 00:44:58,560
anything else we had experienced

1261
00:45:04,309 --> 00:45:01,599
this was very uh almost barbaric you

1262
00:45:07,510 --> 00:45:04,319
know it had a very rough

1263
00:45:11,589 --> 00:45:07,520
feel to it it wasn't uh

1264
00:45:18,069 --> 00:45:11,599
you know that you know like a spiritual

1265
00:45:21,190 --> 00:45:18,079
or or um you know uh

1266
00:45:24,630 --> 00:45:21,200
calming really it was

1267
00:45:27,990 --> 00:45:24,640
it was just uh harsh you know and

1268
00:45:29,670 --> 00:45:28,000
and i i felt pain in 69 you know my arm

1269
00:45:32,069 --> 00:45:29,680
hurt you know

1270
00:45:33,430 --> 00:45:32,079
whoever grabbed my arm hurt my arm you

1271
00:45:36,470 --> 00:45:33,440
know i was a kid it hurt

1272
00:45:38,950 --> 00:45:36,480
you know and i at one point i remember

1273
00:45:40,150 --> 00:45:38,960
what felt like boiling water in my

1274
00:45:41,430 --> 00:45:40,160
shoulders and arms

1275
00:45:43,349 --> 00:45:41,440
you know for a moment i don't talk about

1276
00:45:44,630 --> 00:45:43,359
that much either um

1277
00:45:46,230 --> 00:45:44,640
looking through like a shower curtain

1278
00:45:46,470 --> 00:45:46,240
type of thing and seeing figures behind

1279
00:45:51,349 --> 00:45:46,480
it

1280
00:45:52,710 --> 00:45:51,359
like shadows of whatever

1281
00:45:53,990 --> 00:45:52,720
now someone asked in the chat room

1282
00:45:57,109 --> 00:45:54,000
earlier was there any type of

1283
00:46:02,390 --> 00:46:00,870
you know i i know there are times i

1284
00:46:05,910 --> 00:46:02,400
think that um

1285
00:46:08,470 --> 00:46:05,920
how i felt was perceived well

1286
00:46:10,069 --> 00:46:08,480
but i don't really remember

1287
00:46:13,109 --> 00:46:10,079
understanding anything

1288
00:46:14,950 --> 00:46:13,119
of what was going on you know um i've

1289
00:46:15,829 --> 00:46:14,960
always thought that there was a military

1290
00:46:18,950 --> 00:46:15,839
or governmental

1291
00:46:21,349 --> 00:46:18,960
um organization that was involved in 69

1292
00:46:23,030 --> 00:46:21,359
only because again of all the you know

1293
00:46:25,670 --> 00:46:23,040
the government manufacturing

1294
00:46:26,470 --> 00:46:25,680
facilities in the area and the you know

1295
00:46:28,390 --> 00:46:26,480
you know your

1296
00:46:30,069 --> 00:46:28,400
you know that area your nike nike

1297
00:46:32,390 --> 00:46:30,079
missile sites minimum missile sites and

1298
00:46:34,150 --> 00:46:32,400
norad towers are up in pittsfield

1299
00:46:35,430 --> 00:46:34,160
um you know the cold war you had all

1300
00:46:37,750 --> 00:46:35,440
this stuff in the area

1301
00:46:39,030 --> 00:46:37,760
you had the magnesium spill in canaan

1302
00:46:39,750 --> 00:46:39,040
which was only three or four miles from

1303
00:46:42,870 --> 00:46:39,760
our

1304
00:46:44,710 --> 00:46:42,880
the atom bomb

1305
00:46:45,910 --> 00:46:44,720
i mean you had a lot going on in the

1306
00:46:47,829 --> 00:46:45,920
area and i

1307
00:46:49,589 --> 00:46:47,839
i think that's one of the reasons my my

1308
00:46:51,349 --> 00:46:49,599
stepfather was so supportive too because

1309
00:46:53,030 --> 00:46:51,359
he really believed that that was a

1310
00:46:54,790 --> 00:46:53,040
used to say that what happened to us was

1311
00:46:57,750 --> 00:46:54,800
closer to home than we realized

1312
00:46:59,589 --> 00:46:57,760
you know but but what we saw was

1313
00:47:02,950 --> 00:46:59,599
definitely off world not no

1314
00:47:05,510 --> 00:47:02,960
no sphere like that could just

1315
00:47:06,630 --> 00:47:05,520
move the way that it did and and um fire

1316
00:47:09,190 --> 00:47:06,640
these rods of light

1317
00:47:10,630 --> 00:47:09,200
and and to have a second one over here

1318
00:47:13,510 --> 00:47:10,640
all over water

1319
00:47:15,109 --> 00:47:13,520
and that craft was over water and so you

1320
00:47:16,870 --> 00:47:15,119
know we've always thought well

1321
00:47:18,150 --> 00:47:16,880
maybe there's an interest in the in the

1322
00:47:19,990 --> 00:47:18,160
toxins that were being dumped in the

1323
00:47:22,470 --> 00:47:20,000
housatonic river i mean you had a

1324
00:47:23,349 --> 00:47:22,480
it was a toxic waterway you know you had

1325
00:47:25,349 --> 00:47:23,359
um

1326
00:47:26,549 --> 00:47:25,359
all the pcbs being in it from the paper

1327
00:47:28,870 --> 00:47:26,559
mills and stuff so

1328
00:47:31,349 --> 00:47:28,880
we go back and forth as to what happened

1329
00:47:33,349 --> 00:47:31,359
you know what really happened and

1330
00:47:35,670 --> 00:47:33,359
all i can tell you is i was there you

1331
00:47:38,150 --> 00:47:35,680
know i remember what i remember

1332
00:47:39,270 --> 00:47:38,160
um our family experienced something

1333
00:47:41,750 --> 00:47:39,280
extraordinary but

1334
00:47:43,910 --> 00:47:41,760
we experienced several things it wasn't

1335
00:47:47,670 --> 00:47:43,920
just one thing that's an active area

1336
00:47:51,829 --> 00:47:47,680
um but 69 was very different 69 was

1337
00:47:52,390 --> 00:47:51,839
was uh rough you know yeah i do believe

1338
00:47:55,349 --> 00:47:52,400
that

1339
00:47:56,790 --> 00:47:55,359
let me like let me ask you this martin

1340
00:47:57,430 --> 00:47:56,800
we came back our ignition and our car

1341
00:47:58,710 --> 00:47:57,440
was off

1342
00:47:59,990 --> 00:47:58,720
there's only a couple of ways that could

1343
00:48:01,670 --> 00:48:00,000
have happened someone walked down that

1344
00:48:02,150 --> 00:48:01,680
road we were gone for those three hours

1345
00:48:04,470 --> 00:48:02,160
which was

1346
00:48:05,670 --> 00:48:04,480
like almost melanie was gone all night

1347
00:48:07,589 --> 00:48:05,680
you know

1348
00:48:09,109 --> 00:48:07,599
we were gone out of that car for three

1349
00:48:10,390 --> 00:48:09,119
hours when we stopped that car it was

1350
00:48:12,790 --> 00:48:10,400
like around

1351
00:48:14,069 --> 00:48:12,800
20 after eight and when we got the silks

1352
00:48:17,190 --> 00:48:14,079
it was eleven o'clock

1353
00:48:19,510 --> 00:48:17,200
wow so there was asking that yeah yeah

1354
00:48:21,030 --> 00:48:19,520
so either that car was running and

1355
00:48:22,790 --> 00:48:21,040
someone had to walk down the road and

1356
00:48:24,069 --> 00:48:22,800
shut it off because it was a holiday

1357
00:48:26,150 --> 00:48:24,079
someone could have been walking down the

1358
00:48:28,230 --> 00:48:26,160
road and shut it off

1359
00:48:29,270 --> 00:48:28,240
thinking they were doing us a favor

1360
00:48:30,630 --> 00:48:29,280
because

1361
00:48:32,150 --> 00:48:30,640
you know who else would have shut the

1362
00:48:33,589 --> 00:48:32,160
car off unless there was government in

1363
00:48:35,349 --> 00:48:33,599
the area that shut it off

1364
00:48:37,430 --> 00:48:35,359
but when i we got back in the car my

1365
00:48:40,950 --> 00:48:37,440
mother and grandmother were reversed

1366
00:48:42,549 --> 00:48:40,960
so with that also human error

1367
00:48:43,910 --> 00:48:42,559
these are the things we ask ourselves

1368
00:48:44,870 --> 00:48:43,920
and why we're so careful not to

1369
00:48:46,870 --> 00:48:44,880
overstate

1370
00:48:48,790 --> 00:48:46,880
we were extracted and taken out of our

1371
00:48:51,270 --> 00:48:48,800
vehicle there's no question

1372
00:48:52,470 --> 00:48:51,280
who took us out i don't know i didn't

1373
00:48:54,790 --> 00:48:52,480
see it happen

1374
00:48:56,309 --> 00:48:54,800
but i also know where i was was a big

1375
00:48:59,430 --> 00:48:56,319
area it was a big spot

1376
00:49:01,270 --> 00:48:59,440
that was a big place and the craft was

1377
00:49:02,710 --> 00:49:01,280
big too and i said well we were was

1378
00:49:04,390 --> 00:49:02,720
bigger than the craft

1379
00:49:06,470 --> 00:49:04,400
well maybe it wasn't maybe it wasn't

1380
00:49:07,990 --> 00:49:06,480
because the more i think about it

1381
00:49:12,150 --> 00:49:08,000
i saw the craft from quite a distance

1382
00:49:13,829 --> 00:49:12,160
away and it was still at least 100 yards

1383
00:49:16,150 --> 00:49:13,839
so but when you're inside of something

1384
00:49:18,309 --> 00:49:16,160
100 yards it could look a lot bigger

1385
00:49:19,190 --> 00:49:18,319
so it is possible we were in in the

1386
00:49:20,870 --> 00:49:19,200
craft

1387
00:49:22,549 --> 00:49:20,880
but it's also possible we were somewhere

1388
00:49:24,470 --> 00:49:22,559
else i it's

1389
00:49:25,990 --> 00:49:24,480
this is the part i bat my head against

1390
00:49:28,390 --> 00:49:26,000
the we all do

1391
00:49:30,150 --> 00:49:28,400
we we try to rationalize what happened

1392
00:49:32,069 --> 00:49:30,160
to where we were and

1393
00:49:34,150 --> 00:49:32,079
it's difficult you know because we don't

1394
00:49:36,470 --> 00:49:34,160
really know you know

1395
00:49:37,670 --> 00:49:36,480
when you talk to melanie for instance

1396
00:49:39,190 --> 00:49:37,680
just melanie or

1397
00:49:40,950 --> 00:49:39,200
now i know jane didn't have the same

1398
00:49:44,230 --> 00:49:40,960
type of experience you did but

1399
00:49:48,390 --> 00:49:44,240
when you talk to melanie does she relay

1400
00:49:51,990 --> 00:49:48,400
similar things that she saw when she

1401
00:49:55,109 --> 00:49:52,000
supposedly was on whatever it was yeah

1402
00:49:57,190 --> 00:49:55,119
yeah melanie um well to a degree we

1403
00:50:00,390 --> 00:49:57,200
don't talk in detail that much

1404
00:50:02,309 --> 00:50:00,400
yeah um melanie

1405
00:50:03,990 --> 00:50:02,319
ran into it about eight o'clock maybe a

1406
00:50:07,270 --> 00:50:04,000
little quarter of eight

1407
00:50:10,790 --> 00:50:07,280
it was just getting dusk and

1408
00:50:12,790 --> 00:50:10,800
uh again you know she uh

1409
00:50:13,829 --> 00:50:12,800
was gone all night you know she was she

1410
00:50:16,870 --> 00:50:13,839
found herself

1411
00:50:18,870 --> 00:50:16,880
on the road just before the

1412
00:50:20,630 --> 00:50:18,880
you know um break a day you know just

1413
00:50:23,270 --> 00:50:20,640
before the sun came up

1414
00:50:24,549 --> 00:50:23,280
so she was gone a long time but she was

1415
00:50:26,710 --> 00:50:24,559
also gone

1416
00:50:28,950 --> 00:50:26,720
the same on the same within the same few

1417
00:50:30,630 --> 00:50:28,960
hours that we were gone

1418
00:50:32,309 --> 00:50:30,640
and i did hear voices on the craft i'm

1419
00:50:33,109 --> 00:50:32,319
not saying it was melanie i know who it

1420
00:50:36,069 --> 00:50:33,119
was

1421
00:50:36,470 --> 00:50:36,079
but i didn't see other people i heard

1422
00:50:40,470 --> 00:50:36,480
other

1423
00:50:42,549 --> 00:50:40,480
voices and so she remembers

1424
00:50:44,230 --> 00:50:42,559
you know being out on the table i

1425
00:50:46,309 --> 00:50:44,240
remember being on a table

1426
00:50:47,990 --> 00:50:46,319
um again we were both in a car four

1427
00:50:49,349 --> 00:50:48,000
people are both near water

1428
00:50:50,950 --> 00:50:49,359
and we were both only a couple miles

1429
00:50:52,790 --> 00:50:50,960
away from each other um and i didn't

1430
00:50:55,190 --> 00:50:52,800
even really know this until recently

1431
00:50:57,190 --> 00:50:55,200
and one of the things i i really

1432
00:50:59,750 --> 00:50:57,200
appreciate or respect about melanie's

1433
00:51:00,710 --> 00:50:59,760
um testimony is that she used to come in

1434
00:51:03,190 --> 00:51:00,720
our diner

1435
00:51:04,309 --> 00:51:03,200
you know prior to 69. you know this is

1436
00:51:05,270 --> 00:51:04,319
something a lot of people don't know

1437
00:51:09,670 --> 00:51:05,280
either

1438
00:51:12,150 --> 00:51:09,680
and it's never covered that in 66 and 67

1439
00:51:13,430 --> 00:51:12,160
a lot of the children in the area had

1440
00:51:15,589 --> 00:51:13,440
experienced something

1441
00:51:17,270 --> 00:51:15,599
prior to 69 right they experienced

1442
00:51:19,270 --> 00:51:17,280
something prior

1443
00:51:21,030 --> 00:51:19,280
and you could see the change in some of

1444
00:51:22,390 --> 00:51:21,040
the people in that town you could tell

1445
00:51:24,069 --> 00:51:22,400
by their eyes you could see the way

1446
00:51:25,750 --> 00:51:24,079
people were starting to

1447
00:51:26,790 --> 00:51:25,760
um become a little recruits you know

1448
00:51:28,870 --> 00:51:26,800
because their parents a lot of these

1449
00:51:31,190 --> 00:51:28,880
kids their parents didn't believe them

1450
00:51:32,390 --> 00:51:31,200
you know so they would sit in the corner

1451
00:51:34,230 --> 00:51:32,400
of our diner

1452
00:51:36,069 --> 00:51:34,240
and there was no radio stations really

1453
00:51:38,790 --> 00:51:36,079
except wsbs and that was a news station

1454
00:51:40,630 --> 00:51:38,800
so they'd throw a quarter in the jukebox

1455
00:51:42,549 --> 00:51:40,640
and sit there and have you know after

1456
00:51:43,670 --> 00:51:42,559
school and and wait for the parents to

1457
00:51:44,950 --> 00:51:43,680
pick them up because my mother used to

1458
00:51:47,910 --> 00:51:44,960
run a tab and then

1459
00:51:48,230 --> 00:51:47,920
pick the kids up after school and talk

1460
00:51:51,190 --> 00:51:48,240
and

1461
00:51:52,790 --> 00:51:51,200
you started to see this break off of

1462
00:51:53,430 --> 00:51:52,800
certain kids and you could just tell

1463
00:51:56,230 --> 00:51:53,440
like

1464
00:51:57,030 --> 00:51:56,240
you know i'd be speaking to to whoever

1465
00:51:59,829 --> 00:51:57,040
right

1466
00:52:01,190 --> 00:51:59,839
and you could tell in their eyes and

1467
00:52:02,950 --> 00:52:01,200
draw what they saw

1468
00:52:05,190 --> 00:52:02,960
and another kid at another table would

1469
00:52:06,870 --> 00:52:05,200
draw something and just hold it up

1470
00:52:08,230 --> 00:52:06,880
you know but they didn't know what each

1471
00:52:10,549 --> 00:52:08,240
other were drawing really

1472
00:52:11,910 --> 00:52:10,559
and then our first day and fourth not

1473
00:52:13,589 --> 00:52:11,920
the first the first day in this fourth

1474
00:52:14,150 --> 00:52:13,599
grade class that i went to like an arts

1475
00:52:16,230 --> 00:52:14,160
classic

1476
00:52:18,790 --> 00:52:16,240
whatever was chess or whatever uh chess

1477
00:52:21,430 --> 00:52:18,800
class all these sketches

1478
00:52:23,430 --> 00:52:21,440
were along the tray for the chalk

1479
00:52:25,990 --> 00:52:23,440
underneath the chalkboard

1480
00:52:27,670 --> 00:52:26,000
and the green men from mars this was

1481
00:52:31,190 --> 00:52:27,680
something that was just

1482
00:52:34,309 --> 00:52:31,200
seen by a lot of children and and so

1483
00:52:36,069 --> 00:52:34,319
i look at those kids in 67 and 68 which

1484
00:52:37,349 --> 00:52:36,079
is when all the controversy really took

1485
00:52:37,990 --> 00:52:37,359
place because it was a hard thing for

1486
00:52:40,150 --> 00:52:38,000
people to

1487
00:52:41,910 --> 00:52:40,160
to accept certainly coming from children

1488
00:52:45,109 --> 00:52:41,920
sure mostly children

1489
00:52:45,990 --> 00:52:45,119
and um and so melanie was one of those

1490
00:52:47,750 --> 00:52:46,000
kids you know melanie

1491
00:52:49,270 --> 00:52:47,760
was one that had an experience long

1492
00:52:56,069 --> 00:52:49,280
before 69

1493
00:52:58,470 --> 00:52:56,079
and so those are the kids today that um

1494
00:52:59,829 --> 00:52:58,480
i really kind of become close to because

1495
00:53:02,150 --> 00:52:59,839
they're legit you know they're not

1496
00:53:05,910 --> 00:53:02,160
riding the 69 train you know what i mean

1497
00:53:07,990 --> 00:53:05,920
yeah they really experienced it and um

1498
00:53:09,589 --> 00:53:08,000
and i used to sit on top of the stable

1499
00:53:11,510 --> 00:53:09,599
near on our farm

1500
00:53:12,790 --> 00:53:11,520
and just uh look out over the hills in

1501
00:53:19,829 --> 00:53:12,800
the mountains and

1502
00:53:22,950 --> 00:53:21,430
you know i used to be an altar boy my

1503
00:53:23,750 --> 00:53:22,960
faith went out the window it was more

1504
00:53:25,990 --> 00:53:23,760
like

1505
00:53:28,230 --> 00:53:26,000
everything i had been taught is is wrong

1506
00:53:29,990 --> 00:53:28,240
and and i was searching for answers and

1507
00:53:32,309 --> 00:53:30,000
i was like you know i felt

1508
00:53:34,150 --> 00:53:32,319
in some ways i think that if it happened

1509
00:53:34,950 --> 00:53:34,160
to me now i'd feel differently but back

1510
00:53:36,790 --> 00:53:34,960
then i didn't

1511
00:53:38,230 --> 00:53:36,800
think of this as being something

1512
00:53:40,870 --> 00:53:38,240
terrifying right it was like

1513
00:53:41,430 --> 00:53:40,880
my my mind wasn't going oh is this an

1514
00:53:42,790 --> 00:53:41,440
invasion

1515
00:53:44,630 --> 00:53:42,800
and all these things that people might

1516
00:53:47,190 --> 00:53:44,640
think of today i just

1517
00:53:48,630 --> 00:53:47,200
was part of something extraordinary and

1518
00:53:50,230 --> 00:53:48,640
almost felt

1519
00:53:51,670 --> 00:53:50,240
privileged by it in some way but at the

1520
00:53:53,510 --> 00:53:51,680
same time it

1521
00:53:55,829 --> 00:53:53,520
in some ways it created a lot of

1522
00:53:56,150 --> 00:53:55,839
questions it altered my life it altered

1523
00:53:59,430 --> 00:53:56,160
my

1524
00:54:03,270 --> 00:53:59,440
interest that i was just

1525
00:54:04,230 --> 00:54:03,280
and like you know i felt detached i felt

1526
00:54:05,670 --> 00:54:04,240
like

1527
00:54:07,829 --> 00:54:05,680
except for a couple other kids that i

1528
00:54:11,750 --> 00:54:07,839
could talk to it was just like i

1529
00:54:13,430 --> 00:54:11,760
my you know my feelings on so much i had

1530
00:54:15,190 --> 00:54:13,440
you know where are we really from you

1531
00:54:20,230 --> 00:54:15,200
know

1532
00:54:23,109 --> 00:54:20,240
questions but at the same time

1533
00:54:25,109 --> 00:54:23,119
you know you're you're part of something

1534
00:54:28,230 --> 00:54:25,119
amazing at the same time

1535
00:54:28,710 --> 00:54:28,240
yeah yeah so uh we'll we'll continue our

1536
00:54:31,270 --> 00:54:28,720
talk

1537
00:54:32,710 --> 00:54:31,280
we're going to go into a break um on

1538
00:54:34,390 --> 00:54:32,720
kgra radio

1539
00:54:36,549 --> 00:54:34,400
for those of you on youtube i'm going to

1540
00:54:37,430 --> 00:54:36,559
run a clip so hang in everyone we'll be

1541
00:54:43,430 --> 00:54:37,440
right back

1542
00:54:46,710 --> 00:54:45,030
come on here mom's running the

1543
00:54:48,309 --> 00:54:46,720
hairdryers scott ross i'm a body

1544
00:54:49,349 --> 00:54:48,319
language expert and analyst i train law

1545
00:54:51,109 --> 00:54:49,359
enforcement in the military

1546
00:54:51,589 --> 00:54:51,119
interrogation body language hey chase

1547
00:54:53,510 --> 00:54:51,599
hughes

1548
00:54:54,710 --> 00:54:53,520
i teach nonverbal communication

1549
00:54:56,309 --> 00:54:54,720
persuasion influence

1550
00:54:58,150 --> 00:54:56,319
hi there i'm mark bowden i'm an expert

1551
00:54:59,589 --> 00:54:58,160
in human behavior and body language i'm

1552
00:55:00,470 --> 00:54:59,599
greg hartley i'm a former army

1553
00:55:02,549 --> 00:55:00,480
interrogator

1554
00:55:03,510 --> 00:55:02,559
interrogation trainer and resistance to

1555
00:55:05,910 --> 00:55:03,520
interrogation trainer

1556
00:55:06,789 --> 00:55:05,920
i'm lena cisco and i'm a former navy

1557
00:55:09,910 --> 00:55:06,799
intel officer

1558
00:55:10,870 --> 00:55:09,920
i'm also a former marine corps certified

1559
00:55:12,069 --> 00:55:10,880
interrogator

1560
00:55:14,069 --> 00:55:12,079
the one we're going to take a look at is

1561
00:55:15,990 --> 00:55:14,079
named jane green and she's going to talk

1562
00:55:18,390 --> 00:55:16,000
about what happened to her in 1969.

1563
00:55:20,309 --> 00:55:18,400
we were driving down and i saw a lot of

1564
00:55:22,390 --> 00:55:20,319
lights look at all the lights

1565
00:55:24,069 --> 00:55:22,400
i couldn't even drive anymore because

1566
00:55:27,990 --> 00:55:24,079
the lights were so bright this

1567
00:55:29,910 --> 00:55:28,000
huge object floated right there

1568
00:55:31,670 --> 00:55:29,920
and i couldn't see the end of it from

1569
00:55:35,349 --> 00:55:31,680
the right or from the left

1570
00:55:38,549 --> 00:55:35,359
it was immense and it was tall

1571
00:55:40,309 --> 00:55:38,559
but the the bottom part i i i didn't see

1572
00:55:43,750 --> 00:55:40,319
windows i didn't see any and

1573
00:55:46,150 --> 00:55:43,760
most of all there was no noise there was

1574
00:55:47,349 --> 00:55:46,160
no motor there was nothing it just was

1575
00:55:50,309 --> 00:55:47,359
there

1576
00:55:51,990 --> 00:55:50,319
and these lights were coming in and and

1577
00:55:55,510 --> 00:55:52,000
i just looked at it

1578
00:55:56,309 --> 00:55:55,520
and within a period of seconds it lifted

1579
00:55:59,750 --> 00:55:56,319
up

1580
00:56:02,309 --> 00:55:59,760
over the mountain

1581
00:56:02,950 --> 00:56:02,319
this will be a rare occasion for people

1582
00:56:05,910 --> 00:56:02,960
to hear me

1583
00:56:07,109 --> 00:56:05,920
say this is a 90 plus truth person to me

1584
00:56:10,150 --> 00:56:07,119
i'm going 100 percent

1585
00:56:10,710 --> 00:56:10,160
100 percent okay yeah lino what about

1586
00:56:13,109 --> 00:56:10,720
you

1587
00:56:13,990 --> 00:56:13,119
yeah i have no worries saying 100

1588
00:56:16,470 --> 00:56:14,000
because

1589
00:56:17,829 --> 00:56:16,480
when she uses the pronouns this and it

1590
00:56:20,309 --> 00:56:17,839
it's only because

1591
00:56:21,750 --> 00:56:20,319
today she's still unclear what she saw

1592
00:56:22,950 --> 00:56:21,760
she know what she saw but she doesn't

1593
00:56:26,470 --> 00:56:22,960
know what it is

1594
00:56:28,789 --> 00:56:26,480
we go with 98.641 for this one

1595
00:56:29,990 --> 00:56:28,799
i'm going 99 there's that one one

1596
00:56:31,910 --> 00:56:30,000
percent not that she's lying

1597
00:56:32,950 --> 00:56:31,920
but some might be askew in there from

1598
00:56:33,990 --> 00:56:32,960
from what she remembers she may have

1599
00:56:35,670 --> 00:56:34,000
embellished a little bit

1600
00:56:36,950 --> 00:56:35,680
but the loping we see in there when

1601
00:56:38,630 --> 00:56:36,960
she's just telling that story just

1602
00:56:40,789 --> 00:56:38,640
riding it along

1603
00:56:43,190 --> 00:56:40,799
i i'm gonna say i think this woman saw

1604
00:56:45,109 --> 00:56:43,200
this i think she saw ufo i think she saw

1605
00:56:48,150 --> 00:56:45,119
exactly what she's explaining to us

1606
00:56:52,789 --> 00:56:48,160
it's real it's for real people have got

1607
00:56:56,870 --> 00:56:54,470
well we're on break still but i just

1608
00:56:59,750 --> 00:56:56,880
wanted to let everyone know

1609
00:57:00,630 --> 00:56:59,760
on youtube that uh we're going to be

1610
00:57:03,190 --> 00:57:00,640
having that uh

1611
00:57:04,150 --> 00:57:03,200
behavioral panel on the show as soon as

1612
00:57:06,309 --> 00:57:04,160
they give me a date

1613
00:57:07,990 --> 00:57:06,319
but also i've been um in touch with them

1614
00:57:10,390 --> 00:57:08,000
and they had tom

1615
00:57:12,710 --> 00:57:10,400
uh tom reed our guest tonight on that

1616
00:57:14,870 --> 00:57:12,720
and that's you can see that on youtube

1617
00:57:16,069 --> 00:57:14,880
and they basically studied him telling

1618
00:57:19,349 --> 00:57:16,079
his story

1619
00:57:21,190 --> 00:57:19,359
uh they got a baseline first and uh they

1620
00:57:23,510 --> 00:57:21,200
they studied his story i got an email

1621
00:57:25,589 --> 00:57:23,520
from scott russ the uh

1622
00:57:27,510 --> 00:57:25,599
the kind of the leader of the pack there

1623
00:57:29,910 --> 00:57:27,520
if you will and uh he says

1624
00:57:31,510 --> 00:57:29,920
they believe tom 100 they believe his

1625
00:57:34,230 --> 00:57:31,520
story they watched everything

1626
00:57:35,430 --> 00:57:34,240
they they their only thing they do is

1627
00:57:38,470 --> 00:57:35,440
they try to find

1628
00:57:41,109 --> 00:57:38,480
fault and uh they said

1629
00:57:43,270 --> 00:57:41,119
tom's telling the truth and if anyone uh

1630
00:57:45,910 --> 00:57:43,280
saw that and saw his mother his mother's

1631
00:57:46,710 --> 00:57:45,920
really solid too um so we'll be bringing

1632
00:57:48,549 --> 00:57:46,720
him back

1633
00:57:50,069 --> 00:57:48,559
go ahead go ahead and we're gonna come

1634
00:57:51,510 --> 00:57:50,079
back right now stand by and it means

1635
00:57:55,109 --> 00:57:51,520
interrupt you you bet sure

1636
00:57:58,309 --> 00:57:55,119
in three two one go

1637
00:57:58,870 --> 00:57:58,319
all right uh we are back and um we are

1638
00:58:01,030 --> 00:57:58,880
back

1639
00:58:02,789 --> 00:58:01,040
now we have uh tom reed our guest and

1640
00:58:05,030 --> 00:58:02,799
we're also going to bring in uh judge

1641
00:58:09,030 --> 00:58:05,040
uh kevin titus we're gonna welcome uh

1642
00:58:10,870 --> 00:58:09,040
him to the show good evening everybody

1643
00:58:13,510 --> 00:58:10,880
how are you

1644
00:58:16,069 --> 00:58:13,520
hi kevin welcome to the show thank you

1645
00:58:17,910 --> 00:58:16,079
hi john how are you

1646
00:58:20,630 --> 00:58:17,920
hearing some feedback i believe it has

1647
00:58:26,069 --> 00:58:20,640
to be from you kevin

1648
00:58:30,069 --> 00:58:28,230
can you hear me i believe i can't i can

1649
00:58:31,750 --> 00:58:30,079
hear you but i believe you're running

1650
00:58:34,150 --> 00:58:31,760
the show on your computer

1651
00:58:35,589 --> 00:58:34,160
it's feeding back through were you

1652
00:58:36,309 --> 00:58:35,599
listening to the show listening to the

1653
00:58:41,030 --> 00:58:36,319
show

1654
00:58:42,230 --> 00:58:41,040
no no i'm not i tried to shut that off

1655
00:58:43,990 --> 00:58:42,240
i'm going to ask you to go out of the

1656
00:58:45,270 --> 00:58:44,000
studio and come back and i apologize to

1657
00:58:49,349 --> 00:58:45,280
the live listeners

1658
00:58:53,750 --> 00:58:52,390
all right uh there he goes hopefully

1659
00:58:55,190 --> 00:58:53,760
he'll come back and uh there won't be

1660
00:58:58,390 --> 00:58:55,200
any feedback

1661
00:59:00,069 --> 00:58:58,400
so uh yeah tom uh i like as mentioned i

1662
00:59:02,390 --> 00:59:00,079
was talking to

1663
00:59:03,349 --> 00:59:02,400
you know scott and uh you know they

1664
00:59:05,430 --> 00:59:03,359
studied you

1665
00:59:07,430 --> 00:59:05,440
yeah everything you said yeah they were

1666
00:59:09,030 --> 00:59:07,440
looking and and a lot of

1667
00:59:11,030 --> 00:59:09,040
you know one of the things that i did

1668
00:59:11,670 --> 00:59:11,040
get out of watching those two segments

1669
00:59:13,750 --> 00:59:11,680
is

1670
00:59:14,789 --> 00:59:13,760
you know a lot of you do have to fill in

1671
00:59:17,190 --> 00:59:14,799
the gaps with

1672
00:59:19,349 --> 00:59:17,200
you like family to help you because

1673
00:59:22,549 --> 00:59:19,359
you're nine years or 10 years old

1674
00:59:25,430 --> 00:59:22,559
that's that's a lot to remember um and

1675
00:59:26,390 --> 00:59:25,440
it must be awful hard memories uh a

1676
00:59:28,789 --> 00:59:26,400
funny thing

1677
00:59:30,549 --> 00:59:28,799
hang on let's try kevin again yeah okay

1678
00:59:34,630 --> 00:59:30,559
yeah okay

1679
00:59:38,789 --> 00:59:36,230
kevin i'm gonna have to tell you to call

1680
00:59:42,309 --> 00:59:38,799
the number number

1681
00:59:43,829 --> 00:59:42,319
and uh you called it earlier just call

1682
00:59:47,190 --> 00:59:43,839
it back

1683
00:59:49,910 --> 00:59:47,200
okay thank you so yeah

1684
00:59:51,750 --> 00:59:49,920
just to while you're waiting on kevin um

1685
00:59:53,109 --> 00:59:51,760
so if i can recap real quick because

1686
00:59:54,230 --> 00:59:53,119
there was a lot of distractions earlier

1687
00:59:57,829 --> 00:59:54,240
i couldn't help that

1688
01:00:00,390 --> 00:59:57,839
yeah um there were three moving parts

1689
01:00:02,470 --> 01:00:00,400
the again the uh the white sphere off to

1690
01:00:05,349 --> 01:00:02,480
the left of our car that we saw first

1691
01:00:07,109 --> 01:00:05,359
again was like a illuminated cue ball

1692
01:00:08,789 --> 01:00:07,119
the one to the right

1693
01:00:10,630 --> 01:00:08,799
had a more of an orange tint to it but

1694
01:00:12,069 --> 01:00:10,640
what i didn't mention was that there was

1695
01:00:14,069 --> 01:00:12,079
like it was like a sun it had

1696
01:00:15,109 --> 01:00:14,079
like uh something was moving inside of

1697
01:00:16,789 --> 01:00:15,119
it like uh

1698
01:00:18,630 --> 01:00:16,799
i mentioned it on some mysteries too

1699
01:00:21,349 --> 01:00:18,640
that there was like this moving lava

1700
01:00:22,549 --> 01:00:21,359
or wave if you will of of yellow and

1701
01:00:24,710 --> 01:00:22,559
orange

1702
01:00:26,470 --> 01:00:24,720
and it had was the white one had nothing

1703
01:00:29,510 --> 01:00:26,480
like that it was just a solid

1704
01:00:31,589 --> 01:00:29,520
white object or as the orange one

1705
01:00:32,870 --> 01:00:31,599
seemed to have stayed moving in it and

1706
01:00:35,750 --> 01:00:32,880
then again the craft

1707
01:00:36,710 --> 01:00:35,760
and i used the word um scanner shell

1708
01:00:39,349 --> 01:00:36,720
before

1709
01:00:40,710 --> 01:00:39,359
but what's important to mention here was

1710
01:00:44,150 --> 01:00:40,720
that it almost looked like

1711
01:00:46,470 --> 01:00:44,160
the three were communicating and

1712
01:00:47,670 --> 01:00:46,480
and again the the right side of the the

1713
01:00:50,950 --> 01:00:47,680
turtle shell

1714
01:00:52,069 --> 01:00:50,960
looking craft was putting out a like a

1715
01:00:53,990 --> 01:00:52,079
sheen or a light

1716
01:00:55,510 --> 01:00:54,000
it was a bleed of light coming through

1717
01:00:57,430 --> 01:00:55,520
it so

1718
01:00:59,109 --> 01:00:57,440
when we saw this thing it wasn't like

1719
01:01:00,390 --> 01:00:59,119
the white light underneath it is what

1720
01:01:02,230 --> 01:01:00,400
gave it away

1721
01:01:04,789 --> 01:01:02,240
it was the shell itself that you could

1722
01:01:07,190 --> 01:01:04,799
see okay

1723
01:01:08,549 --> 01:01:07,200
that's amazing now let me ask you this i

1724
01:01:12,150 --> 01:01:08,559
see kevin back in this

1725
01:01:13,750 --> 01:01:12,160
stream we can try them again um

1726
01:01:14,870 --> 01:01:13,760
this thing seems like a really strange

1727
01:01:17,030 --> 01:01:14,880
question but there's a reason i'm going

1728
01:01:19,190 --> 01:01:17,040
to ask it did you when you saw this

1729
01:01:21,109 --> 01:01:19,200
flowing movement did you see some of it

1730
01:01:23,510 --> 01:01:21,119
going the opposite way

1731
01:01:25,030 --> 01:01:23,520
as well because that's something you

1732
01:01:26,870 --> 01:01:25,040
hear about you hear about two different

1733
01:01:28,549 --> 01:01:26,880
directions people see this stuff

1734
01:01:29,910 --> 01:01:28,559
moving i've heard people talking about

1735
01:01:33,510 --> 01:01:29,920
me a little bit

1736
01:01:36,390 --> 01:01:33,520
of of the sun you know like just gassy

1737
01:01:37,910 --> 01:01:36,400
you know just flowing all around yeah

1738
01:01:39,670 --> 01:01:37,920
and then i've also mentioned it before

1739
01:01:40,789 --> 01:01:39,680
it's almost looking like an ocean wave

1740
01:01:43,510 --> 01:01:40,799
like it rolled

1741
01:01:45,349 --> 01:01:43,520
you know um it was a long time ago but

1742
01:01:47,430 --> 01:01:45,359
it did look like the inside of it was

1743
01:01:51,109 --> 01:01:47,440
just all shifting

1744
01:01:54,390 --> 01:01:51,119
whereas the white one was a solid

1745
01:01:55,750 --> 01:01:54,400
cue ball but somehow they were in

1746
01:01:58,150 --> 01:01:55,760
concert with each other

1747
01:01:58,789 --> 01:01:58,160
you know i mean appear that way yeah

1748
01:02:01,109 --> 01:01:58,799
they were

1749
01:02:02,870 --> 01:02:01,119
if you ever go to the park or the bridge

1750
01:02:04,230 --> 01:02:02,880
i mean you got the water off to the left

1751
01:02:05,430 --> 01:02:04,240
but it goes down and it kind of loops

1752
01:02:07,589 --> 01:02:05,440
around to the right

1753
01:02:08,630 --> 01:02:07,599
and the other one was not in that same

1754
01:02:10,789 --> 01:02:08,640
path of

1755
01:02:11,750 --> 01:02:10,799
river it was actually as it went around

1756
01:02:14,870 --> 01:02:11,760
the corner

1757
01:02:16,309 --> 01:02:14,880
so there was a you know a second part of

1758
01:02:17,589 --> 01:02:16,319
that river and it was around the corner

1759
01:02:19,510 --> 01:02:17,599
around the bank

1760
01:02:21,109 --> 01:02:19,520
and you could only see it for a little

1761
01:02:22,470 --> 01:02:21,119
bit because there's trees in the way you

1762
01:02:23,430 --> 01:02:22,480
have to wait for that break we're moving

1763
01:02:24,950 --> 01:02:23,440
we're driving

1764
01:02:27,029 --> 01:02:24,960
so we didn't really get as good a look

1765
01:02:28,470 --> 01:02:27,039
at that but it certainly

1766
01:02:30,230 --> 01:02:28,480
seemed that these three were all in

1767
01:02:33,430 --> 01:02:30,240
align with each other

1768
01:02:36,630 --> 01:02:33,440
that line of sight wow

1769
01:02:40,069 --> 01:02:36,640
well um someone asked and i guess in our

1770
01:02:42,470 --> 01:02:40,079
other chat they wanted to know with uh

1771
01:02:44,630 --> 01:02:42,480
with that experience felt was there a

1772
01:02:48,390 --> 01:02:44,640
feeling of missing time

1773
01:02:50,870 --> 01:02:48,400
uh these are by other other people did

1774
01:02:53,829 --> 01:02:50,880
other people mention like missing time

1775
01:02:54,950 --> 01:02:53,839
yeah well our entire family did you know

1776
01:02:58,230 --> 01:02:54,960
besides your family

1777
01:03:01,109 --> 01:02:58,240
oh sure lots of people yeah melanie

1778
01:03:02,390 --> 01:03:01,119
you know and there were a lot of other

1779
01:03:03,990 --> 01:03:02,400
kids in the area that

1780
01:03:05,510 --> 01:03:04,000
talked about it and it's interesting

1781
01:03:08,309 --> 01:03:05,520
because those kids

1782
01:03:08,950 --> 01:03:08,319
again that hung out in our diner uh many

1783
01:03:11,670 --> 01:03:08,960
of them

1784
01:03:13,750 --> 01:03:11,680
are those who uh assisted in this

1785
01:03:16,150 --> 01:03:13,760
getting inducted into state

1786
01:03:18,150 --> 01:03:16,160
you know uh given titus that you know

1787
01:03:21,829 --> 01:03:18,160
judge kevin titus who you're bringing on

1788
01:03:24,549 --> 01:03:21,839
um he was a witness to that night um

1789
01:03:25,990 --> 01:03:24,559
he didn't uh you know he didn't uh i

1790
01:03:27,190 --> 01:03:26,000
don't think he missed was missing time

1791
01:03:28,069 --> 01:03:27,200
but he certainly saw the cattle

1792
01:03:30,069 --> 01:03:28,079
mutilations

1793
01:03:31,670 --> 01:03:30,079
and in unsaw mysteries you can see the

1794
01:03:33,510 --> 01:03:31,680
flight pattern of that craft coming like

1795
01:03:34,309 --> 01:03:33,520
from pittsfield stockbridge lennox great

1796
01:03:35,910 --> 01:03:34,319
barrington

1797
01:03:37,589 --> 01:03:35,920
through sheffield but it kept going into

1798
01:03:39,349 --> 01:03:37,599
connecticut

1799
01:03:42,470 --> 01:03:39,359
and i think kevin was one of the last

1800
01:03:45,990 --> 01:03:42,480
people to see it on a flight path

1801
01:03:48,870 --> 01:03:46,000
wow uh let's try it now kevin oh there

1802
01:03:50,069 --> 01:03:48,880
tom and martin you hear me all right i

1803
01:03:54,069 --> 01:03:50,079
do

1804
01:03:55,349 --> 01:03:54,079
better yes something okay

1805
01:03:58,150 --> 01:03:55,359
i don't know what happened maybe there

1806
01:04:00,710 --> 01:03:58,160
was some kind of a i don't know it's

1807
01:04:03,270 --> 01:04:00,720
probably aliens

1808
01:04:04,630 --> 01:04:03,280
i'm not going to play it with aliens but

1809
01:04:07,670 --> 01:04:04,640
it was a letter

1810
01:04:10,549 --> 01:04:07,680
yeah so anyway welcome to the show

1811
01:04:12,470 --> 01:04:10,559
and uh so uh kevin we're going to talk

1812
01:04:13,109 --> 01:04:12,480
about you know the park and that later

1813
01:04:15,109 --> 01:04:13,119
on but

1814
01:04:16,630 --> 01:04:15,119
let's talk about you just mentioned the

1815
01:04:19,670 --> 01:04:16,640
cattle mutilations and

1816
01:04:21,990 --> 01:04:19,680
and and that so um and and from your

1817
01:04:24,470 --> 01:04:22,000
viewpoint what did you see

1818
01:04:25,190 --> 01:04:24,480
uh well to make long story short i was

1819
01:04:27,270 --> 01:04:25,200
about

1820
01:04:29,829 --> 01:04:27,280
11 and a half 12 years old i was up here

1821
01:04:31,750 --> 01:04:29,839
in connecticut visiting my grandparents

1822
01:04:34,150 --> 01:04:31,760
uh they live about them half a mile a

1823
01:04:37,270 --> 01:04:34,160
mile from my house where i am right now

1824
01:04:40,549 --> 01:04:37,280
and i was coming to visit my my

1825
01:04:43,349 --> 01:04:40,559
neighbor's uh g uh

1826
01:04:44,230 --> 01:04:43,359
james dean not not the sausage king but

1827
01:04:46,630 --> 01:04:44,240
jimmy dean

1828
01:04:47,910 --> 01:04:46,640
and uh that's his name and uh we were

1829
01:04:49,510 --> 01:04:47,920
over here and we were playing around

1830
01:04:52,069 --> 01:04:49,520
like we did at kids and

1831
01:04:55,270 --> 01:04:52,079
and uh this particular time his father

1832
01:04:57,910 --> 01:04:55,280
george had asked me to uh go with him

1833
01:04:59,750 --> 01:04:57,920
go pick up a couple of uh cows that had

1834
01:05:03,109 --> 01:04:59,760
gone up to the plateau and i

1835
01:05:04,230 --> 01:05:03,119
have that property now uh it's 190 acres

1836
01:05:05,670 --> 01:05:04,240
and there's a plateau up there and

1837
01:05:07,029 --> 01:05:05,680
that's what we went to

1838
01:05:08,789 --> 01:05:07,039
anyhow we went to the top and there's

1839
01:05:09,990 --> 01:05:08,799
this little path with cows go up to the

1840
01:05:11,510 --> 01:05:10,000
plateau and they

1841
01:05:14,390 --> 01:05:11,520
come down at the end of the day and this

1842
01:05:16,870 --> 01:05:14,400
particular day um

1843
01:05:18,630 --> 01:05:16,880
uh jimmy's father said that the two cows

1844
01:05:20,150 --> 01:05:18,640
had not come down so

1845
01:05:21,750 --> 01:05:20,160
uh he asked us to go up there and get

1846
01:05:23,270 --> 01:05:21,760
him so we went up there and uh like

1847
01:05:25,029 --> 01:05:23,280
typical kids in the country and we went

1848
01:05:26,390 --> 01:05:25,039
up to the top and the plateau and as we

1849
01:05:28,549 --> 01:05:26,400
got to the top

1850
01:05:30,549 --> 01:05:28,559
um to say the least it was getting

1851
01:05:33,029 --> 01:05:30,559
towards dark but not dark yet

1852
01:05:35,109 --> 01:05:33,039
but it was getting there and i looked to

1853
01:05:36,950 --> 01:05:35,119
the left and as i looked over i saw

1854
01:05:38,870 --> 01:05:36,960
one of the cattle that were lying down

1855
01:05:41,430 --> 01:05:38,880
the ground and that cattle had been

1856
01:05:43,349 --> 01:05:41,440
uh mutilated literally and uh there was

1857
01:05:46,230 --> 01:05:43,359
just no blood it was really weird and

1858
01:05:47,750 --> 01:05:46,240
it looked pinkish and we thought that

1859
01:05:49,349 --> 01:05:47,760
you know maybe the coyotes around here

1860
01:05:51,029 --> 01:05:49,359
had it tore it apart or something that's

1861
01:05:54,309 --> 01:05:51,039
what's common up here

1862
01:05:55,190 --> 01:05:54,319
and uh i mean as one little young kid

1863
01:05:57,190 --> 01:05:55,200
would do

1864
01:05:59,190 --> 01:05:57,200
i yelled something to jimmy and i ran so

1865
01:05:59,829 --> 01:05:59,200
far down the hill that he had to catch

1866
01:06:02,309 --> 01:05:59,839
up to me

1867
01:06:03,349 --> 01:06:02,319
and he actually could outrun me uh but

1868
01:06:05,510 --> 01:06:03,359
the thing was

1869
01:06:07,270 --> 01:06:05,520
he went to the right side and he saw the

1870
01:06:09,270 --> 01:06:07,280
other cow on the other side

1871
01:06:11,190 --> 01:06:09,280
now before we left and before i saw the

1872
01:06:13,109 --> 01:06:11,200
cow just as you come over the rise

1873
01:06:14,710 --> 01:06:13,119
you can see where black marks were on

1874
01:06:16,390 --> 01:06:14,720
top of the plateau

1875
01:06:18,150 --> 01:06:16,400
and on the plateau there's i don't know

1876
01:06:18,470 --> 01:06:18,160
maybe four or five of them and they were

1877
01:06:20,630 --> 01:06:18,480
big

1878
01:06:21,910 --> 01:06:20,640
wide burn areas but i didn't stick

1879
01:06:23,510 --> 01:06:21,920
around to go look at them

1880
01:06:25,349 --> 01:06:23,520
and when i saw the cow it was enough to

1881
01:06:28,150 --> 01:06:25,359
send me down the hill i was quite

1882
01:06:29,670 --> 01:06:28,160
um uncomfortable the situation to say

1883
01:06:31,270 --> 01:06:29,680
the least at 11 and a half you know

1884
01:06:33,430 --> 01:06:31,280
eleven and a half years old and

1885
01:06:35,270 --> 01:06:33,440
jimmy and i ran down the hill without

1886
01:06:36,470 --> 01:06:35,280
cattle of course and we ran and we went

1887
01:06:38,390 --> 01:06:36,480
flying into the

1888
01:06:39,670 --> 01:06:38,400
into the house and and got his mom and

1889
01:06:40,710 --> 01:06:39,680
dad and said you know what man there's

1890
01:06:41,670 --> 01:06:40,720
something up there and i ran into

1891
01:06:43,510 --> 01:06:41,680
jimmy's room

1892
01:06:45,270 --> 01:06:43,520
because i was so scared and i don't know

1893
01:06:48,230 --> 01:06:45,280
what it was but um

1894
01:06:50,549 --> 01:06:48,240
but here's the key as we ran down we run

1895
01:06:53,990 --> 01:06:50,559
down and we looked up into the sky

1896
01:06:56,630 --> 01:06:54,000
and both he and i saw something a big

1897
01:06:59,029 --> 01:06:56,640
big object very dim light nothing like

1898
01:06:59,349 --> 01:06:59,039
any helicopter or any airplane had ever

1899
01:07:04,230 --> 01:06:59,359
been

1900
01:07:04,950 --> 01:07:04,240
we told us everybody said what are you

1901
01:07:07,109 --> 01:07:04,960
kids yelling about

1902
01:07:08,549 --> 01:07:07,119
about i said hey there's uh something up

1903
01:07:09,029 --> 01:07:08,559
there you know something that's scaring

1904
01:07:10,870 --> 01:07:09,039
us and

1905
01:07:12,630 --> 01:07:10,880
they go you know typical kids we make

1906
01:07:14,470 --> 01:07:12,640
things up well i wasn't making it up

1907
01:07:16,789 --> 01:07:14,480
because i was in jimmy's room

1908
01:07:18,470 --> 01:07:16,799
and then he came in with jimmy and said

1909
01:07:20,069 --> 01:07:18,480
jimmy hey what's going on out there

1910
01:07:21,670 --> 01:07:20,079
and he goes go out there and look and as

1911
01:07:22,549 --> 01:07:21,680
soon as jimmy's father and mother went

1912
01:07:24,630 --> 01:07:22,559
out there

1913
01:07:26,390 --> 01:07:24,640
they looked up and they saw the same

1914
01:07:28,470 --> 01:07:26,400
thing that we did

1915
01:07:30,470 --> 01:07:28,480
and they may commence calling the local

1916
01:07:32,789 --> 01:07:30,480
law enforcement they called the

1917
01:07:35,029 --> 01:07:32,799
national guard over in great barrington

1918
01:07:36,470 --> 01:07:35,039
and uh asked all kinds of things about

1919
01:07:38,069 --> 01:07:36,480
what had happened in that area and they

1920
01:07:40,069 --> 01:07:38,079
said they had no helicopters

1921
01:07:41,990 --> 01:07:40,079
there were no airplanes up there of any

1922
01:07:43,829 --> 01:07:42,000
kind but they did say that they

1923
01:07:46,150 --> 01:07:43,839
acknowledged something was very unusual

1924
01:07:48,870 --> 01:07:46,160
on the radar screen

1925
01:07:50,630 --> 01:07:48,880
so at that point everybody from a

1926
01:07:52,230 --> 01:07:50,640
12-mile radius from

1927
01:07:53,829 --> 01:07:52,240
sheffield area all the way down to

1928
01:07:56,309 --> 01:07:53,839
canaan connecticut area

1929
01:07:57,990 --> 01:07:56,319
uh were calling in to the police

1930
01:07:59,109 --> 01:07:58,000
departments the state police they're

1931
01:07:59,829 --> 01:07:59,119
calling the national guard they were

1932
01:08:04,710 --> 01:07:59,839
calling

1933
01:08:06,549 --> 01:08:04,720
and everybody was reporting something

1934
01:08:08,870 --> 01:08:06,559
and you know the nobody

1935
01:08:10,950 --> 01:08:08,880
knew anybody to make anything up when

1936
01:08:14,150 --> 01:08:10,960
you got 250 plus

1937
01:08:15,270 --> 01:08:14,160
people um out there um you know there's

1938
01:08:17,510 --> 01:08:15,280
something going on

1939
01:08:19,669 --> 01:08:17,520
and uh plus what we saw and then of

1940
01:08:21,110 --> 01:08:19,679
course when when jimmy's uh

1941
01:08:22,950 --> 01:08:21,120
mother and dad looked up they saw the

1942
01:08:25,510 --> 01:08:22,960
very same thing we were frightened of so

1943
01:08:26,229 --> 01:08:25,520
they knew we weren't making it up and uh

1944
01:08:28,229 --> 01:08:26,239
you know

1945
01:08:29,910 --> 01:08:28,239
these kind of things as a kid you go in

1946
01:08:30,870 --> 01:08:29,920
the woods you think of monsters and

1947
01:08:33,349 --> 01:08:30,880
stuff right but

1948
01:08:34,630 --> 01:08:33,359
but in this case it was really con very

1949
01:08:37,510 --> 01:08:34,640
strange because

1950
01:08:38,550 --> 01:08:37,520
it all happened the same weekend the

1951
01:08:40,470 --> 01:08:38,560
same time as

1952
01:08:41,749 --> 01:08:40,480
i'm reading his family situation because

1953
01:08:43,510 --> 01:08:41,759
i know i was up there

1954
01:08:45,349 --> 01:08:43,520
that weekend with my grandparents i come

1955
01:08:46,309 --> 01:08:45,359
up all the time i lived in new jersey at

1956
01:08:49,269 --> 01:08:46,319
the time and

1957
01:08:50,630 --> 01:08:49,279
in those days kids could take a bus they

1958
01:08:52,149 --> 01:08:50,640
should take a train up you know to

1959
01:08:52,950 --> 01:08:52,159
connecticut you know millerton all that

1960
01:08:55,430 --> 01:08:52,960
stuff

1961
01:08:56,870 --> 01:08:55,440
and uh it was no no risk at that time

1962
01:08:57,669 --> 01:08:56,880
but that's what i did i used to come up

1963
01:08:59,669 --> 01:08:57,679
all the time

1964
01:09:01,430 --> 01:08:59,679
i think i spent most of my childhood up

1965
01:09:03,510 --> 01:09:01,440
here in falls village canaan

1966
01:09:04,550 --> 01:09:03,520
area until of course i grew up went into

1967
01:09:07,669 --> 01:09:04,560
the military

1968
01:09:08,709 --> 01:09:07,679
but um i will say that was one of the

1969
01:09:10,470 --> 01:09:08,719
most uh

1970
01:09:12,390 --> 01:09:10,480
unusual things and i had kind of forgot

1971
01:09:14,470 --> 01:09:12,400
about it and i didn't really

1972
01:09:16,709 --> 01:09:14,480
think about it until years later when i

1973
01:09:18,070 --> 01:09:16,719
came back out from the army i'd spent 23

1974
01:09:21,590 --> 01:09:18,080
years in the army

1975
01:09:23,110 --> 01:09:21,600
and i came home and uh i was looking

1976
01:09:24,149 --> 01:09:23,120
around for old historical markers as a

1977
01:09:25,990 --> 01:09:24,159
kid i used to like because all of

1978
01:09:27,829 --> 01:09:26,000
history's you know i'm a historian

1979
01:09:29,110 --> 01:09:27,839
and we went over to the sheffield bridge

1980
01:09:30,870 --> 01:09:29,120
because the light covered bridges and at

1981
01:09:32,149 --> 01:09:30,880
that time i went across the bridge

1982
01:09:34,390 --> 01:09:32,159
and on the other side i saw this big

1983
01:09:35,269 --> 01:09:34,400
white monument you know and i said wow

1984
01:09:37,030 --> 01:09:35,279
that might have something to do with

1985
01:09:38,309 --> 01:09:37,040
shae's rebellion because they used to

1986
01:09:40,470 --> 01:09:38,319
camp around in this area they had a

1987
01:09:42,070 --> 01:09:40,480
battle about a mile away from there

1988
01:09:43,669 --> 01:09:42,080
and i looked down and i looked at this

1989
01:09:45,110 --> 01:09:43,679
plaque and i said oh

1990
01:09:46,550 --> 01:09:45,120
you're for winston you know and i looked

1991
01:09:47,269 --> 01:09:46,560
at it and i went down i said wait a

1992
01:09:50,870 --> 01:09:47,279
minute

1993
01:09:52,709 --> 01:09:50,880
tom reed that is that the same time read

1994
01:09:55,189 --> 01:09:52,719
i knew as a kid

1995
01:09:57,189 --> 01:09:55,199
and all of us knew peter riley dickinson

1996
01:09:59,270 --> 01:09:57,199
everybody knew all the reads and my

1997
01:10:00,709 --> 01:09:59,280
grandparents were very good friends with

1998
01:10:02,870 --> 01:10:00,719
uh his father

1999
01:10:04,950 --> 01:10:02,880
um because he was a town selectman he's

2000
01:10:06,950 --> 01:10:04,960
very renowned doctor too

2001
01:10:08,709 --> 01:10:06,960
uh and uh you know there was in our

2002
01:10:11,270 --> 01:10:08,719
little town tom can tell you

2003
01:10:11,990 --> 01:10:11,280
uh it's not uh hard for people to know

2004
01:10:13,350 --> 01:10:12,000
we have maybe

2005
01:10:14,870 --> 01:10:13,360
maybe we have two thousand people in

2006
01:10:15,669 --> 01:10:14,880
this area back then it was probably far

2007
01:10:17,270 --> 01:10:15,679
less but

2008
01:10:18,950 --> 01:10:17,280
everybody knew everybody i mean it's

2009
01:10:21,110 --> 01:10:18,960
just you could you couldn't

2010
01:10:22,790 --> 01:10:21,120
hey i lent this by ten bucks and and

2011
01:10:23,830 --> 01:10:22,800
they never pay it i guarantee somebody's

2012
01:10:26,149 --> 01:10:23,840
gonna know about it

2013
01:10:27,590 --> 01:10:26,159
you know and that's the way it was and

2014
01:10:29,910 --> 01:10:27,600
in those days people didn't

2015
01:10:31,430 --> 01:10:29,920
um make stuff like this up because it's

2016
01:10:33,750 --> 01:10:31,440
just not possible

2017
01:10:35,270 --> 01:10:33,760
um i mean even i questioned myself at

2018
01:10:35,750 --> 01:10:35,280
one point and i'm like wait a minute you

2019
01:10:38,550 --> 01:10:35,760
know

2020
01:10:39,270 --> 01:10:38,560
did i see this and now um yeah i'm

2021
01:10:41,750 --> 01:10:39,280
pretty sure i did

2022
01:10:43,189 --> 01:10:41,760
and i started researching it and i got

2023
01:10:46,229 --> 01:10:43,199
with tom and tom and i

2024
01:10:47,750 --> 01:10:46,239
started uh getting together to do these

2025
01:10:49,830 --> 01:10:47,760
things that i've done the documents

2026
01:10:51,510 --> 01:10:49,840
things that nature but that particular

2027
01:10:54,709 --> 01:10:51,520
incident in my childhood

2028
01:10:56,870 --> 01:10:54,719
was a very uh to say the least was not a

2029
01:10:58,790 --> 01:10:56,880
very pleasant experience

2030
01:11:00,950 --> 01:10:58,800
you now what time was that an early time

2031
01:11:04,310 --> 01:11:00,960
of night like was it dusk or

2032
01:11:07,430 --> 01:11:04,320
you know it was getting toward dusk um

2033
01:11:09,830 --> 01:11:07,440
if i'm correct tom i think his was

2034
01:11:11,590 --> 01:11:09,840
happened a little later when it was dark

2035
01:11:14,870 --> 01:11:11,600
right tom was it correct

2036
01:11:18,229 --> 01:11:14,880
yeah it was eight eight thirty yeah

2037
01:11:20,149 --> 01:11:18,239
yeah mine was probably about seven

2038
01:11:21,590 --> 01:11:20,159
maybe seven somewhere between seven

2039
01:11:22,870 --> 01:11:21,600
twenty five and seven thirty five

2040
01:11:25,030 --> 01:11:22,880
something around that

2041
01:11:27,350 --> 01:11:25,040
that we saw so you just assumed that

2042
01:11:30,550 --> 01:11:27,360
this was like on a flight pattern

2043
01:11:32,709 --> 01:11:30,560
out out toward sheffield great

2044
01:11:34,229 --> 01:11:32,719
barrington that whole area

2045
01:11:35,669 --> 01:11:34,239
one flight pattern but i think they

2046
01:11:36,709 --> 01:11:35,679
don't what they don't understand too is

2047
01:11:38,709 --> 01:11:36,719
there a multiple

2048
01:11:40,390 --> 01:11:38,719
discs or multiple objects in the sky

2049
01:11:43,590 --> 01:11:40,400
that night uh

2050
01:11:46,950 --> 01:11:43,600
mostly uh spheres and that one disc

2051
01:11:49,830 --> 01:11:46,960
and i don't know you know if if it went

2052
01:11:50,310 --> 01:11:49,840
too canon like where if the same disc

2053
01:11:52,830 --> 01:11:50,320
went

2054
01:11:54,790 --> 01:11:52,840
to where kevin was and came back to

2055
01:11:58,149 --> 01:11:54,800
sheffield or because

2056
01:12:00,470 --> 01:11:58,159
it would have happened actually

2057
01:12:01,910 --> 01:12:00,480
if you were to really do this right jan

2058
01:12:04,229 --> 01:12:01,920
green

2059
01:12:05,910 --> 01:12:04,239
actually saw it first because she had

2060
01:12:08,790 --> 01:12:05,920
already she'd already driven

2061
01:12:10,229 --> 01:12:08,800
to wsbs radio to file the the you know

2062
01:12:12,070 --> 01:12:10,239
to say that you know this is where it is

2063
01:12:14,709 --> 01:12:12,080
if you go outside and look

2064
01:12:15,189 --> 01:12:14,719
and then it looked like kevin was

2065
01:12:18,550 --> 01:12:15,199
probably

2066
01:12:22,070 --> 01:12:18,560
second and then melanie was third

2067
01:12:24,070 --> 01:12:22,080
and i was fourth so that

2068
01:12:26,470 --> 01:12:24,080
if it's one disc then it was moving

2069
01:12:29,669 --> 01:12:26,480
around a little bit

2070
01:12:30,950 --> 01:12:29,679
but the overall trajectory or line of

2071
01:12:33,669 --> 01:12:30,960
flight

2072
01:12:35,830 --> 01:12:33,679
came from pittsfield to canaan but there

2073
01:12:36,550 --> 01:12:35,840
was obviously some moving like the gina

2074
01:12:39,910 --> 01:12:36,560
paul and

2075
01:12:41,669 --> 01:12:39,920
um she uh remembered seeing it in

2076
01:12:42,790 --> 01:12:41,679
sheffield on near the great barrington

2077
01:12:44,390 --> 01:12:42,800
fairgrounds

2078
01:12:46,149 --> 01:12:44,400
that's like on the liner chef in great

2079
01:12:47,910 --> 01:12:46,159
barrington on one side of route 7 and

2080
01:12:49,750 --> 01:12:47,920
across the road

2081
01:12:50,950 --> 01:12:49,760
she saw that they were still having a

2082
01:12:52,149 --> 01:12:50,960
dinner that night they were still having

2083
01:12:55,030 --> 01:12:52,159
a barbecue

2084
01:12:55,669 --> 01:12:55,040
so it wasn't that late it was probably

2085
01:12:59,350 --> 01:12:55,679
six

2086
01:13:01,189 --> 01:12:59,360
so there was just uh

2087
01:13:04,709 --> 01:13:01,199
gallaudet saw it or they went out

2088
01:13:08,310 --> 01:13:04,719
looking for it in the police car um

2089
01:13:10,390 --> 01:13:08,320
so you know it really didn't make one

2090
01:13:11,350 --> 01:13:10,400
one line if you will or one straight

2091
01:13:14,550 --> 01:13:11,360
pattern

2092
01:13:16,550 --> 01:13:14,560
it seemed to move around but it it did

2093
01:13:18,709 --> 01:13:16,560
eventually go from pittsfield through

2094
01:13:22,070 --> 01:13:18,719
the state into into

2095
01:13:24,149 --> 01:13:22,080
canaan or connecticut yeah yeah i mean

2096
01:13:25,990 --> 01:13:24,159
so so kevin let me ask you this you

2097
01:13:27,669 --> 01:13:26,000
mentioned you mentioned that

2098
01:13:29,669 --> 01:13:27,679
you know you kind of put it on a shelf

2099
01:13:32,310 --> 01:13:29,679
or whatever for many years

2100
01:13:33,270 --> 01:13:32,320
but uh during the incident and right

2101
01:13:37,270 --> 01:13:33,280
after

2102
01:13:39,189 --> 01:13:37,280
um did the adults uh jimmy's

2103
01:13:40,310 --> 01:13:39,199
parents you know try to come up with an

2104
01:13:42,709 --> 01:13:40,320
explanation

2105
01:13:43,350 --> 01:13:42,719
to you as kids like say oh it's just

2106
01:13:45,590 --> 01:13:43,360
this a

2107
01:13:47,030 --> 01:13:45,600
kind of fluff it offer did they say this

2108
01:13:49,030 --> 01:13:47,040
is really something we don't

2109
01:13:50,870 --> 01:13:49,040
we don't know what it is i remember the

2110
01:13:51,910 --> 01:13:50,880
exact wording because i was young but i

2111
01:13:53,910 --> 01:13:51,920
do remember them

2112
01:13:56,229 --> 01:13:53,920
uh at first like i said first they

2113
01:13:57,350 --> 01:13:56,239
questioned us for validity at that time

2114
01:13:59,510 --> 01:13:57,360
and then of course

2115
01:14:00,870 --> 01:13:59,520
when we're yelling look up look up and

2116
01:14:02,790 --> 01:14:00,880
i'm in jimmy's bedroom

2117
01:14:04,390 --> 01:14:02,800
hiding and i mean i was a kid and i was

2118
01:14:06,870 --> 01:14:04,400
calling my grandparents

2119
01:14:08,310 --> 01:14:06,880
which they came over after you picked me

2120
01:14:10,470 --> 01:14:08,320
up you know just driving me over here

2121
01:14:11,830 --> 01:14:10,480
and found what's going on they looked up

2122
01:14:13,669 --> 01:14:11,840
wish they were alive that they could

2123
01:14:15,750 --> 01:14:13,679
tell it today what they saw

2124
01:14:17,110 --> 01:14:15,760
but they looked up and they they they

2125
01:14:19,990 --> 01:14:17,120
were talking to george

2126
01:14:21,669 --> 01:14:20,000
and and his wife and like what the heck

2127
01:14:24,229 --> 01:14:21,679
is this thing you know

2128
01:14:25,830 --> 01:14:24,239
and some people try to explain it as oh

2129
01:14:27,510 --> 01:14:25,840
it's a shooting star i said how's going

2130
01:14:28,149 --> 01:14:27,520
to shooting star be just standing there

2131
01:14:30,229 --> 01:14:28,159
and

2132
01:14:32,149 --> 01:14:30,239
kind of moving slowly around i mean it

2133
01:14:34,310 --> 01:14:32,159
did that wasn't logical

2134
01:14:35,750 --> 01:14:34,320
and then of course on the other aspects

2135
01:14:37,750 --> 01:14:35,760
you say okay

2136
01:14:39,750 --> 01:14:37,760
um what are we really seeing are we i'm

2137
01:14:40,470 --> 01:14:39,760
really seeing this or are we not seeing

2138
01:14:43,030 --> 01:14:40,480
this

2139
01:14:43,910 --> 01:14:43,040
and uh you know you know how people our

2140
01:14:45,430 --> 01:14:43,920
parents used to take

2141
01:14:47,990 --> 01:14:45,440
back in the old days like didn't like

2142
01:14:49,270 --> 01:14:48,000
just watching sci-fi movies and monster

2143
01:14:51,110 --> 01:14:49,280
movies and that kind of thing

2144
01:14:52,390 --> 01:14:51,120
well i mean they i guess they thought we

2145
01:14:53,669 --> 01:14:52,400
were kidding about something like that

2146
01:14:56,870 --> 01:14:53,679
but you want to know something

2147
01:14:59,590 --> 01:14:56,880
i hadn't seen a movie yet uh with

2148
01:15:00,470 --> 01:14:59,600
a ufo at that age yet so i don't know

2149
01:15:01,750 --> 01:15:00,480
how they could say

2150
01:15:03,750 --> 01:15:01,760
i could have imagined it because i don't

2151
01:15:05,110 --> 01:15:03,760
remember seeing anything like that well

2152
01:15:07,910 --> 01:15:05,120
after those years

2153
01:15:09,510 --> 01:15:07,920
you know yeah but i do know when you

2154
01:15:10,229 --> 01:15:09,520
look at an airplane and you look at a

2155
01:15:13,189 --> 01:15:10,239
helicopter

2156
01:15:14,870 --> 01:15:13,199
and you look up and you say um that

2157
01:15:16,149 --> 01:15:14,880
light first of all is not your

2158
01:15:18,470 --> 01:15:16,159
the warning lights that are normal

2159
01:15:22,470 --> 01:15:18,480
planes or helicopters it was a very

2160
01:15:24,870 --> 01:15:22,480
weird low dismal radiant light very

2161
01:15:26,310 --> 01:15:24,880
like how a really greenish light or

2162
01:15:27,110 --> 01:15:26,320
something would look like in real deep

2163
01:15:31,110 --> 01:15:27,120
fog

2164
01:15:33,830 --> 01:15:31,120
yeah the entire the entire

2165
01:15:35,270 --> 01:15:33,840
illuminated the entire craft put out

2166
01:15:43,189 --> 01:15:35,280
different colors

2167
01:15:46,229 --> 01:15:43,199
i mean like amber gold pewter

2168
01:15:48,070 --> 01:15:46,239
like a yellow orange it just

2169
01:15:49,510 --> 01:15:48,080
like it's almost like if you took a

2170
01:15:51,910 --> 01:15:49,520
flame thrower

2171
01:15:53,430 --> 01:15:51,920
and you just torched this piece of metal

2172
01:15:54,709 --> 01:15:53,440
and how it had it cools at different

2173
01:15:55,590 --> 01:15:54,719
temperatures you know it just kind of

2174
01:15:57,669 --> 01:15:55,600
settles in

2175
01:15:59,510 --> 01:15:57,679
i've seen that yeah then that's like

2176
01:16:01,510 --> 01:15:59,520
when you're heating up metal

2177
01:16:02,550 --> 01:16:01,520
uh just i just wanted to go back on

2178
01:16:04,630 --> 01:16:02,560
something on uh

2179
01:16:07,830 --> 01:16:04,640
for you tom because for some reason

2180
01:16:10,470 --> 01:16:07,840
they're focusing in the chat room about

2181
01:16:12,630 --> 01:16:10,480
about the uh autopsy table you didn't

2182
01:16:14,790 --> 01:16:12,640
say autopsy table you said it reminded

2183
01:16:16,630 --> 01:16:14,800
you of an autopsy that reminded me only

2184
01:16:19,910 --> 01:16:16,640
because it had the um

2185
01:16:22,070 --> 01:16:19,920
you know the pole in the middle and the

2186
01:16:23,110 --> 01:16:22,080
the table on top of it and it did rise

2187
01:16:25,189 --> 01:16:23,120
and lower

2188
01:16:26,709 --> 01:16:25,199
and it almost looked like the piece the

2189
01:16:27,510 --> 01:16:26,719
the apparatus that came down from the

2190
01:16:30,709 --> 01:16:27,520
ceiling

2191
01:16:31,750 --> 01:16:30,719
was like a solid pole and which had a

2192
01:16:34,709 --> 01:16:31,760
cage on it

2193
01:16:35,669 --> 01:16:34,719
a type of a cage yeah and the table with

2194
01:16:39,030 --> 01:16:35,679
another pole

2195
01:16:41,750 --> 01:16:39,040
so these was the top you know lowered

2196
01:16:43,110 --> 01:16:41,760
it came like that you know one of the

2197
01:16:46,149 --> 01:16:43,120
things i was thinking of when you were

2198
01:16:47,430 --> 01:16:46,159
here and it lowered on me it was like i

2199
01:16:50,950 --> 01:16:47,440
was on this

2200
01:16:53,430 --> 01:16:50,960
and they both joined and separated wow

2201
01:16:54,070 --> 01:16:53,440
uh uh we were telling that part of your

2202
01:16:57,350 --> 01:16:54,080
story

2203
01:16:57,990 --> 01:16:57,360
all i could think of is empathizing with

2204
01:17:00,870 --> 01:16:58,000
how you

2205
01:17:02,870 --> 01:17:00,880
must have felt and for myself all i

2206
01:17:03,350 --> 01:17:02,880
could picture is getting the heck out of

2207
01:17:06,630 --> 01:17:03,360
there

2208
01:17:09,830 --> 01:17:06,640
was i mean is that

2209
01:17:11,830 --> 01:17:09,840
is that something that uh i mean

2210
01:17:13,990 --> 01:17:11,840
is that how you felt or do you remember

2211
01:17:16,070 --> 01:17:14,000
feeling that i sat there

2212
01:17:18,630 --> 01:17:16,080
i remember um like like i said it's like

2213
01:17:21,990 --> 01:17:18,640
fragmented a little bit but i sat there

2214
01:17:25,750 --> 01:17:22,000
and i for whatever reason was

2215
01:17:28,229 --> 01:17:25,760
cooperating yeah and and then

2216
01:17:29,430 --> 01:17:28,239
all of a sudden i felt an anxiety i

2217
01:17:31,990 --> 01:17:29,440
guess or a fear

2218
01:17:33,590 --> 01:17:32,000
and i when i had that second i ran you

2219
01:17:36,550 --> 01:17:33,600
know i was a kid i just

2220
01:17:38,470 --> 01:17:36,560
i just saw my out and i took it and when

2221
01:17:40,229 --> 01:17:38,480
i ran out into this hallway that circle

2222
01:17:41,910 --> 01:17:40,239
hallway with the y in it

2223
01:17:43,590 --> 01:17:41,920
i stopped i didn't know where to go was

2224
01:17:48,070 --> 01:17:43,600
that big empty area

2225
01:17:54,950 --> 01:17:51,910
you know and so again um

2226
01:17:59,669 --> 01:17:54,960
it was almost as if my

2227
01:18:02,470 --> 01:17:59,679
my uh my sense of uh

2228
01:18:03,510 --> 01:18:02,480
you know this calm this nervousness this

2229
01:18:06,870 --> 01:18:03,520
uh

2230
01:18:08,390 --> 01:18:06,880
fluctuating you know um energy within me

2231
01:18:11,510 --> 01:18:08,400
or feeling within me

2232
01:18:13,350 --> 01:18:11,520
it just wasn't it just didn't maintain

2233
01:18:14,790 --> 01:18:13,360
anything i was all over the place you

2234
01:18:15,990 --> 01:18:14,800
know um

2235
01:18:17,510 --> 01:18:16,000
you know because there were other times

2236
01:18:17,990 --> 01:18:17,520
i could have i could have ran you know

2237
01:18:19,669 --> 01:18:18,000
there was

2238
01:18:20,870 --> 01:18:19,679
other moments and i didn't right so i'm

2239
01:18:21,990 --> 01:18:20,880
trying to think why didn't i run in the

2240
01:18:24,790 --> 01:18:22,000
beginning you know

2241
01:18:26,229 --> 01:18:24,800
so there again you know a lot of it just

2242
01:18:27,750 --> 01:18:26,239
doesn't make sense but when we came out

2243
01:18:29,110 --> 01:18:27,760
of it in the car

2244
01:18:31,189 --> 01:18:29,120
that's when you could really tell that

2245
01:18:31,750 --> 01:18:31,199
there was almost like a like we were in

2246
01:18:33,110 --> 01:18:31,760
a fog

2247
01:18:35,510 --> 01:18:33,120
you know my brother used to say it felt

2248
01:18:36,950 --> 01:18:35,520
like a like a a sodium pedophile

2249
01:18:38,630 --> 01:18:36,960
you know like after an operation where

2250
01:18:40,550 --> 01:18:38,640
you're kind of woozy

2251
01:18:41,910 --> 01:18:40,560
it's a pretty good way to word it

2252
01:18:42,470 --> 01:18:41,920
because we didn't come out of this thing

2253
01:18:44,950 --> 01:18:42,480
sharp

2254
01:18:46,149 --> 01:18:44,960
a lot of people say oh boom i was back i

2255
01:18:47,910 --> 01:18:46,159
remember everything perfect

2256
01:18:50,310 --> 01:18:47,920
you nearly or i don't remember but here

2257
01:18:52,709 --> 01:18:50,320
i am and there's none of this um

2258
01:18:53,350 --> 01:18:52,719
this uh recouping period there's not

2259
01:18:56,550 --> 01:18:53,360
this

2260
01:18:58,310 --> 01:18:56,560
gotta clear your head

2261
01:19:00,870 --> 01:18:58,320
that's how it was for us it came in and

2262
01:19:02,390 --> 01:19:00,880
out like that you know i don't know why

2263
01:19:04,229 --> 01:19:02,400
i have this uh from the chat room i have

2264
01:19:04,630 --> 01:19:04,239
another uh question to ask you before we

2265
01:19:07,830 --> 01:19:04,640
go

2266
01:19:10,390 --> 01:19:07,840
community feel about

2267
01:19:11,510 --> 01:19:10,400
the happenings uh there was a lot we're

2268
01:19:13,990 --> 01:19:11,520
going to be talking about

2269
01:19:15,350 --> 01:19:14,000
and that a little bit later on when we

2270
01:19:17,590 --> 01:19:15,360
talk about the park so

2271
01:19:19,189 --> 01:19:17,600
just hang in there rodrigo we will be

2272
01:19:21,830 --> 01:19:19,199
talking about uh

2273
01:19:22,870 --> 01:19:21,840
that later one question i want to ask

2274
01:19:26,149 --> 01:19:22,880
you tom before we

2275
01:19:27,510 --> 01:19:26,159
move back with kevin uh were there any

2276
01:19:31,189 --> 01:19:27,520
people missing

2277
01:19:35,590 --> 01:19:31,199
any children missing um

2278
01:19:37,910 --> 01:19:35,600
in the area i don't

2279
01:19:39,669 --> 01:19:37,920
i won't recall anyone uh missing from

2280
01:19:41,830 --> 01:19:39,679
you know any length of time

2281
01:19:42,870 --> 01:19:41,840
um i do know that there were a lot of

2282
01:19:45,750 --> 01:19:42,880
people that

2283
01:19:47,030 --> 01:19:45,760
for whatever reason um you know there's

2284
01:19:48,310 --> 01:19:47,040
a couple people that disappeared from

2285
01:19:50,229 --> 01:19:48,320
that community

2286
01:19:52,229 --> 01:19:50,239
um there but there was that was also

2287
01:19:54,070 --> 01:19:52,239
considered you know runaways or whatever

2288
01:19:55,830 --> 01:19:54,080
but that was also later on like in the

2289
01:19:57,189 --> 01:19:55,840
70s yeah

2290
01:19:58,709 --> 01:19:57,199
but then again there was still activity

2291
01:19:59,590 --> 01:19:58,719
in the 70s i would say that more than

2292
01:20:03,350 --> 01:19:59,600
anything

2293
01:20:05,110 --> 01:20:03,360
um no uh again though it was an active

2294
01:20:07,590 --> 01:20:05,120
area there were plenty of

2295
01:20:09,189 --> 01:20:07,600
plenty of sightings the community as a

2296
01:20:10,390 --> 01:20:09,199
whole was all aware of it they still are

2297
01:20:12,550 --> 01:20:10,400
to this day

2298
01:20:14,310 --> 01:20:12,560
and um and they kind of just accept it

2299
01:20:15,270 --> 01:20:14,320
it's not a matter of is there activity

2300
01:20:17,030 --> 01:20:15,280
it's like what is it

2301
01:20:18,310 --> 01:20:17,040
i mean that's how obvious it is in that

2302
01:20:21,110 --> 01:20:18,320
community yeah

2303
01:20:22,870 --> 01:20:21,120
yeah yeah uh kevin um yes one of the

2304
01:20:25,750 --> 01:20:22,880
things i was thinking about

2305
01:20:26,310 --> 01:20:25,760
in in your area um you know you

2306
01:20:29,669 --> 01:20:26,320
mentioned

2307
01:20:32,310 --> 01:20:29,679
that uh jimmy's parent parents uh called

2308
01:20:33,350 --> 01:20:32,320
the national guard etc was there a lot

2309
01:20:34,709 --> 01:20:33,360
of reports

2310
01:20:36,950 --> 01:20:34,719
in the area that you're aware of i mean

2311
01:20:39,110 --> 01:20:36,960
did it make the news did you see it in

2312
01:20:40,950 --> 01:20:39,120
the newspaper i know you're very young

2313
01:20:43,430 --> 01:20:40,960
to probably pay attention but

2314
01:20:44,830 --> 01:20:43,440
did you ever ask those questions later

2315
01:20:47,510 --> 01:20:44,840
um

2316
01:20:48,149 --> 01:20:47,520
honestly uh alan i was thinking kind of

2317
01:20:49,430 --> 01:20:48,159
like

2318
01:20:51,669 --> 01:20:49,440
you know i didn't really want to

2319
01:20:54,390 --> 01:20:51,679
remember it but um i do remember

2320
01:20:55,189 --> 01:20:54,400
my grandparents talking to uh some

2321
01:20:58,870 --> 01:20:55,199
neighbors

2322
01:21:00,870 --> 01:20:58,880
claimed they'd saw something peculiar

2323
01:21:01,910 --> 01:21:00,880
that night um but they weren't sure what

2324
01:21:04,149 --> 01:21:01,920
it was

2325
01:21:05,510 --> 01:21:04,159
i never saw anything in the newspaper

2326
01:21:08,070 --> 01:21:05,520
about it around here

2327
01:21:09,270 --> 01:21:08,080
um until later years i mean there's been

2328
01:21:10,629 --> 01:21:09,280
lots of things written about

2329
01:21:12,790 --> 01:21:10,639
the areas and there's still things that

2330
01:21:13,910 --> 01:21:12,800
happen around here but in later years i

2331
01:21:15,510 --> 01:21:13,920
mean there were things that happened

2332
01:21:17,669 --> 01:21:15,520
here that were very government uh

2333
01:21:18,149 --> 01:21:17,679
connected here too which i do know a lot

2334
01:21:22,790 --> 01:21:18,159
about

2335
01:21:23,990 --> 01:21:22,800
um your viewers or of you are aware of

2336
01:21:27,510 --> 01:21:24,000
this but back in

2337
01:21:30,070 --> 01:21:27,520
world war ii um this area was made

2338
01:21:32,070 --> 01:21:30,080
magnesium for lyme for the atomic bomb

2339
01:21:33,110 --> 01:21:32,080
and people didn't know that was going on

2340
01:21:36,629 --> 01:21:33,120
here and it was

2341
01:21:38,870 --> 01:21:36,639
there's a couple of these uh length uh

2342
01:21:40,229 --> 01:21:38,880
places around here uh where they uh

2343
01:21:42,790 --> 01:21:40,239
still have signs saying

2344
01:21:45,270 --> 01:21:42,800
u.s government property do not enter do

2345
01:21:48,390 --> 01:21:45,280
not trespass they're still closed off

2346
01:21:50,229 --> 01:21:48,400
um nobody seems to know what what's in

2347
01:21:52,229 --> 01:21:50,239
there because nobody gets to go in there

2348
01:21:53,110 --> 01:21:52,239
unless they're cleared but i have also

2349
01:21:55,270 --> 01:21:53,120
seen

2350
01:21:57,189 --> 01:21:55,280
by an area in falls village which was we

2351
01:21:58,229 --> 01:21:57,199
are one of these uh quarries if you

2352
01:21:59,669 --> 01:21:58,239
would call them

2353
01:22:01,750 --> 01:21:59,679
um where they had the sign up and there

2354
01:22:03,669 --> 01:22:01,760
were these black suvs

2355
01:22:05,430 --> 01:22:03,679
and uh they were all you can tell they

2356
01:22:07,669 --> 01:22:05,440
were government suvs

2357
01:22:09,189 --> 01:22:07,679
uh but um you know the way they were

2358
01:22:10,629 --> 01:22:09,199
dressed in the way that they drove

2359
01:22:12,790 --> 01:22:10,639
around areas it's like

2360
01:22:14,310 --> 01:22:12,800
there was something going on here and it

2361
01:22:17,189 --> 01:22:14,320
it's been going on here it went on

2362
01:22:18,709 --> 01:22:17,199
clearly through the 70s that i heard of

2363
01:22:19,910 --> 01:22:18,719
and of course the airport that i'm

2364
01:22:20,629 --> 01:22:19,920
talking about used to be a national

2365
01:22:23,350 --> 01:22:20,639
guard

2366
01:22:24,550 --> 01:22:23,360
um airport was the one now which is in

2367
01:22:25,750 --> 01:22:24,560
great barrington it's it's

2368
01:22:27,750 --> 01:22:25,760
it's like i can't think of i think

2369
01:22:30,790 --> 01:22:27,760
kozioski or something like that it's a

2370
01:22:33,270 --> 01:22:30,800
private airport now and um

2371
01:22:35,189 --> 01:22:33,280
there was a air national guard unit up

2372
01:22:36,950 --> 01:22:35,199
there and they used to test some

2373
01:22:38,629 --> 01:22:36,960
strange aircraft up there i heard back

2374
01:22:40,470 --> 01:22:38,639
in the 60s and 70s

2375
01:22:42,709 --> 01:22:40,480
they closed it down around 74 or

2376
01:22:44,149 --> 01:22:42,719
something but they also had radar and

2377
01:22:45,830 --> 01:22:44,159
that was one thing that was very

2378
01:22:47,750 --> 01:22:45,840
interesting because i did some research

2379
01:22:49,590 --> 01:22:47,760
with tom over the last few years

2380
01:22:51,350 --> 01:22:49,600
and i found out in the freedom of

2381
01:22:53,350 --> 01:22:51,360
information act in washington

2382
01:22:55,830 --> 01:22:53,360
you can find the military records

2383
01:22:57,990 --> 01:22:55,840
stating about that day in this area

2384
01:22:59,510 --> 01:22:58,000
and there was one report that i read and

2385
01:23:01,910 --> 01:22:59,520
i saw that said

2386
01:23:03,110 --> 01:23:01,920
that the radar unit on the weekend that

2387
01:23:04,709 --> 01:23:03,120
it had noticed

2388
01:23:06,149 --> 01:23:04,719
that there were no airplanes there were

2389
01:23:08,950 --> 01:23:06,159
no longer nothing that they had

2390
01:23:10,870 --> 01:23:08,960
up here so they say and but they did

2391
01:23:14,390 --> 01:23:10,880
notice something on their screen

2392
01:23:16,470 --> 01:23:14,400
that was suspicious they said

2393
01:23:18,310 --> 01:23:16,480
it's unusual and they kept it very quiet

2394
01:23:20,870 --> 01:23:18,320
too yeah

2395
01:23:21,430 --> 01:23:20,880
and the other thing kevin too that back

2396
01:23:25,270 --> 01:23:21,440
in the

2397
01:23:28,870 --> 01:23:25,280
going to find this interesting

2398
01:23:30,950 --> 01:23:28,880
back in 1969 um you know the the whole

2399
01:23:32,470 --> 01:23:30,960
vietnam thing right so anybody born in

2400
01:23:35,110 --> 01:23:32,480
the mid 60s

2401
01:23:36,870 --> 01:23:35,120
that had oh negative blood was tracked

2402
01:23:38,470 --> 01:23:36,880
by the us government because they were a

2403
01:23:40,950 --> 01:23:38,480
universal donor

2404
01:23:42,390 --> 01:23:40,960
oh that's a member of that yeah and nine

2405
01:23:45,669 --> 01:23:42,400
of us in our family

2406
01:23:47,510 --> 01:23:45,679
or our age yeah

2407
01:23:49,669 --> 01:23:47,520
there's there's a there's a connection

2408
01:23:52,709 --> 01:23:49,679
with uh uh someone made with

2409
01:23:53,430 --> 01:23:52,719
that type of blood and uh i'm gonna say

2410
01:23:56,310 --> 01:23:53,440
the a word

2411
01:23:57,270 --> 01:23:56,320
abductions yeah so uh i don't know if

2412
01:23:59,910 --> 01:23:57,280
you ever heard that

2413
01:24:01,430 --> 01:23:59,920
so here you know you've got government

2414
01:24:02,709 --> 01:24:01,440
coming out of the woods you can tell

2415
01:24:03,990 --> 01:24:02,719
because they used to have the big phones

2416
01:24:07,189 --> 01:24:04,000
on her on their sides

2417
01:24:08,870 --> 01:24:07,199
walking out yes and again

2418
01:24:10,790 --> 01:24:08,880
the miracle sites the minutemen missile

2419
01:24:11,910 --> 01:24:10,800
sites the cold war stuff the norad

2420
01:24:14,790 --> 01:24:11,920
towers right

2421
01:24:16,629 --> 01:24:14,800
so here we are you know our family you

2422
01:24:18,870 --> 01:24:16,639
know we've got oh negative blood

2423
01:24:20,229 --> 01:24:18,880
um it's tracked by the u.s government

2424
01:24:21,830 --> 01:24:20,239
got government everywhere in the area

2425
01:24:23,110 --> 01:24:21,840
then he had the magnesium be in mind and

2426
01:24:25,030 --> 01:24:23,120
he got all these activity and these

2427
01:24:27,990 --> 01:24:25,040
spheres and ufos in the area

2428
01:24:28,950 --> 01:24:28,000
like i said it was just a mess of

2429
01:24:31,430 --> 01:24:28,960
activity

2430
01:24:32,149 --> 01:24:31,440
and yeah this day you know even to this

2431
01:24:33,830 --> 01:24:32,159
day you can

2432
01:24:35,270 --> 01:24:33,840
just go to that go to the park go talk

2433
01:24:37,110 --> 01:24:35,280
to people in town

2434
01:24:38,310 --> 01:24:37,120
they've got they'll tell you so you're

2435
01:24:40,629 --> 01:24:38,320
you're um

2436
01:24:42,950 --> 01:24:40,639
the guy earlier was much you know asking

2437
01:24:45,830 --> 01:24:42,960
about how does the town feel about it

2438
01:24:47,189 --> 01:24:45,840
this is not uh this is just as common as

2439
01:24:49,830 --> 01:24:47,199
walking to your mailbox

2440
01:24:51,110 --> 01:24:49,840
i mean people know and it was those kids

2441
01:24:53,990 --> 01:24:51,120
back in the day

2442
01:24:55,669 --> 01:24:54,000
in our diner that collectively to this

2443
01:24:56,470 --> 01:24:55,679
day like kevin's one of them melanie's

2444
01:24:59,830 --> 01:24:56,480
one of them

2445
01:25:01,189 --> 01:24:59,840
jan green all these kids back in the day

2446
01:25:03,270 --> 01:25:01,199
they're now professionals they're

2447
01:25:05,430 --> 01:25:03,280
bankers they're judges they're

2448
01:25:07,990 --> 01:25:05,440
they're you know um business owners and

2449
01:25:10,709 --> 01:25:08,000
they all remembered as children

2450
01:25:12,229 --> 01:25:10,719
and so when my father lost his life on

2451
01:25:13,270 --> 01:25:12,239
the same day that this went to the

2452
01:25:16,229 --> 01:25:13,280
united nations

2453
01:25:18,229 --> 01:25:16,239
on october 2nd you know that's when they

2454
01:25:20,229 --> 01:25:18,239
decided to look into this further

2455
01:25:22,550 --> 01:25:20,239
out of respect for my father because he

2456
01:25:24,550 --> 01:25:22,560
was he was advocating this

2457
01:25:25,590 --> 01:25:24,560
and that's kind of what brought it into

2458
01:25:29,510 --> 01:25:25,600
the

2459
01:25:31,189 --> 01:25:29,520
that monument that was rolled out or

2460
01:25:33,030 --> 01:25:31,199
marker and his honor and

2461
01:25:34,870 --> 01:25:33,040
and that's kind of how this whole thing

2462
01:25:36,550 --> 01:25:34,880
became where it is today

2463
01:25:38,470 --> 01:25:36,560
because not only there was a respect for

2464
01:25:40,709 --> 01:25:38,480
my father just like kevin had a respect

2465
01:25:42,870 --> 01:25:40,719
for my father um

2466
01:25:43,990 --> 01:25:42,880
you know there were all these children

2467
01:25:45,830 --> 01:25:44,000
that um

2468
01:25:47,590 --> 01:25:45,840
never felt validated i guess you know

2469
01:25:49,270 --> 01:25:47,600
that wanted to be

2470
01:25:51,030 --> 01:25:49,280
able to say look you know we were all

2471
01:25:53,110 --> 01:25:51,040
part of this you know this was

2472
01:25:54,149 --> 01:25:53,120
you know who would have thought that 50

2473
01:25:56,390 --> 01:25:54,159
years later that's to

2474
01:25:58,149 --> 01:25:56,400
still be activity right so now that

2475
01:26:01,110 --> 01:25:58,159
there is and you've got the original

2476
01:26:02,870 --> 01:26:01,120
children you know those original kids

2477
01:26:04,629 --> 01:26:02,880
that were one of the first children to

2478
01:26:06,629 --> 01:26:04,639
see this and be part of it

2479
01:26:07,669 --> 01:26:06,639
they're they're in their 50s and 60s

2480
01:26:10,950 --> 01:26:07,679
today

2481
01:26:13,270 --> 01:26:10,960
and they wanted some validation

2482
01:26:14,629 --> 01:26:13,280
and and that's kind of i think when

2483
01:26:16,790 --> 01:26:14,639
unsolved rolled out

2484
01:26:18,390 --> 01:26:16,800
the film it was nice to see that there

2485
01:26:18,950 --> 01:26:18,400
were so many other people involved you

2486
01:26:22,149 --> 01:26:18,960
know

2487
01:26:23,669 --> 01:26:22,159
yeah yeah let me ask you this

2488
01:26:25,189 --> 01:26:23,679
well we're going to be taking calls uh

2489
01:26:26,229 --> 01:26:25,199
really quickly so we want to get into

2490
01:26:29,510 --> 01:26:26,239
the monument

2491
01:26:30,629 --> 01:26:29,520
too but um every every time i speak to

2492
01:26:33,030 --> 01:26:30,639
someone where

2493
01:26:34,709 --> 01:26:33,040
something comes out on tv like this

2494
01:26:36,550 --> 01:26:34,719
there is a deluge

2495
01:26:37,990 --> 01:26:36,560
of people that come forward that we're

2496
01:26:39,430 --> 01:26:38,000
afraid to talk about and all of a sudden

2497
01:26:41,110 --> 01:26:39,440
they're going to talk about it

2498
01:26:42,470 --> 01:26:41,120
is that what has happened as far as you

2499
01:26:44,550 --> 01:26:42,480
know i mean who would they contact

2500
01:26:46,390 --> 01:26:44,560
anyway would they contact you

2501
01:26:47,750 --> 01:26:46,400
oh they could um i'd say they could

2502
01:26:49,750 --> 01:26:47,760
always contact uh

2503
01:26:51,110 --> 01:26:49,760
you know the ufo park you know the ufo

2504
01:26:52,870 --> 01:26:51,120
the historical society

2505
01:26:54,550 --> 01:26:52,880
okay no i wouldn't go to the store

2506
01:26:57,830 --> 01:26:54,560
society so much i'd go to probably

2507
01:26:58,470 --> 01:26:57,840
go to us you know ufopark.org oh i see

2508
01:27:00,470 --> 01:26:58,480
so they can

2509
01:27:01,990 --> 01:27:00,480
reach you that way i got it yeah you

2510
01:27:03,270 --> 01:27:02,000
parked.org and um

2511
01:27:05,270 --> 01:27:03,280
you know because i think you know we've

2512
01:27:06,870 --> 01:27:05,280
got a lot of uh other people working on

2513
01:27:08,709 --> 01:27:06,880
this too you know it's not just

2514
01:27:10,550 --> 01:27:08,719
the historical society inducted it back

2515
01:27:12,149 --> 01:27:10,560
in 2015 but

2516
01:27:13,590 --> 01:27:12,159
they don't do a whole lot with it

2517
01:27:14,709 --> 01:27:13,600
there's been a big change over there

2518
01:27:16,470 --> 01:27:14,719
personnel

2519
01:27:17,750 --> 01:27:16,480
and they still don't have the displays

2520
01:27:18,950 --> 01:27:17,760
up or anything there's a binder and all

2521
01:27:22,070 --> 01:27:18,960
the stuff's in there

2522
01:27:22,950 --> 01:27:22,080
but um i i guess what yeah what i would

2523
01:27:25,750 --> 01:27:22,960
suggest is like

2524
01:27:26,149 --> 01:27:25,760
or let me respond back to you um yeah

2525
01:27:28,629 --> 01:27:26,159
when

2526
01:27:29,510 --> 01:27:28,639
you know ancient aliens did the segment

2527
01:27:33,030 --> 01:27:29,520
on it

2528
01:27:35,430 --> 01:27:33,040
for three to four weeks after that

2529
01:27:37,110 --> 01:27:35,440
you know our our emails blew up and then

2530
01:27:38,709 --> 01:27:37,120
of course after unsolved mysteries you

2531
01:27:40,709 --> 01:27:38,719
know everybody starts like you said

2532
01:27:42,149 --> 01:27:40,719
i was part of that i saw it too so you

2533
01:27:44,950 --> 01:27:42,159
know it it does

2534
01:27:45,669 --> 01:27:44,960
um seem to rekindle you know a lot of

2535
01:27:48,550 --> 01:27:45,679
the

2536
01:27:50,149 --> 01:27:48,560
yeah you know people just get some uh

2537
01:27:53,510 --> 01:27:50,159
thinking you know hey this is

2538
01:27:56,629 --> 01:27:53,520
more and more you know uh

2539
01:27:57,750 --> 01:27:56,639
um you know uh it's not criticized like

2540
01:28:00,229 --> 01:27:57,760
it used to be you know

2541
01:28:01,350 --> 01:28:00,239
i think with elon musk and everything

2542
01:28:03,750 --> 01:28:01,360
going on right now

2543
01:28:05,110 --> 01:28:03,760
um we're seeing a slew of people you

2544
01:28:07,189 --> 01:28:05,120
know talking about it uh

2545
01:28:08,229 --> 01:28:07,199
there was a woman who's a runs a package

2546
01:28:10,470 --> 01:28:08,239
store liquor store

2547
01:28:11,990 --> 01:28:10,480
in the area and she had mentioned and

2548
01:28:13,110 --> 01:28:12,000
gave a letter to the historical society

2549
01:28:15,750 --> 01:28:13,120
not that long ago

2550
01:28:17,910 --> 01:28:15,760
that she remembers the the uh the reboot

2551
01:28:20,709 --> 01:28:17,920
of the calls from 1969

2552
01:28:21,430 --> 01:28:20,719
they replayed them in the 80s or early

2553
01:28:23,430 --> 01:28:21,440
90s

2554
01:28:25,030 --> 01:28:23,440
wow yeah when it went to the united

2555
01:28:27,510 --> 01:28:25,040
nations they actually

2556
01:28:28,950 --> 01:28:27,520
replayed those tapes so when unsolved it

2557
01:28:29,590 --> 01:28:28,960
says you know they don't have the tapes

2558
01:28:31,030 --> 01:28:29,600
which

2559
01:28:33,350 --> 01:28:31,040
maybe they don't anymore because when

2560
01:28:34,149 --> 01:28:33,360
tom jay passed um the tapes that he had

2561
01:28:36,950 --> 01:28:34,159
were sent to his

2562
01:28:38,790 --> 01:28:36,960
uh children's home in arizona so maybe

2563
01:28:41,910 --> 01:28:38,800
there's a tape maybe there's not

2564
01:28:42,310 --> 01:28:41,920
but at one point they were replayed so

2565
01:28:45,990 --> 01:28:42,320
yeah

2566
01:28:48,390 --> 01:28:46,000
have those

2567
01:28:51,470 --> 01:28:48,400
uh now i'm gonna put the number up it's

2568
01:28:52,870 --> 01:28:51,480
uh if someone would like to call in it's

2569
01:28:54,790 --> 01:28:52,880
855-472-5483

2570
01:28:55,990 --> 01:28:54,800
but while uh calls don't come in

2571
01:28:57,990 --> 01:28:56,000
steadily usually

2572
01:28:59,110 --> 01:28:58,000
right off the bat you never know uh but

2573
01:29:02,550 --> 01:28:59,120
let's talk about

2574
01:29:05,910 --> 01:29:02,560
um the monument and uh that i remember

2575
01:29:08,550 --> 01:29:05,920
actually i met you tom um right

2576
01:29:09,990 --> 01:29:08,560
after i think it was 2015 or something

2577
01:29:11,750 --> 01:29:10,000
like that right after the monument was

2578
01:29:13,750 --> 01:29:11,760
put in place i remember it

2579
01:29:15,830 --> 01:29:13,760
totally happening in the whole the whole

2580
01:29:17,510 --> 01:29:15,840
thing but that's been uh that's been

2581
01:29:19,750 --> 01:29:17,520
kind of a crazy

2582
01:29:20,709 --> 01:29:19,760
situation i remember when it was moved

2583
01:29:22,229 --> 01:29:20,719
too it was there

2584
01:29:23,990 --> 01:29:22,239
there's a lot of talk in the i want to

2585
01:29:25,510 --> 01:29:24,000
say the ufo community so i don't know if

2586
01:29:27,750 --> 01:29:25,520
i saw it on facebook or

2587
01:29:29,430 --> 01:29:27,760
alejandra rojas told me or something

2588
01:29:30,149 --> 01:29:29,440
happened yeah but a lot a lot has

2589
01:29:33,189 --> 01:29:30,159
happened

2590
01:29:34,470 --> 01:29:33,199
uh yeah it was a that was a disaster i

2591
01:29:36,790 --> 01:29:34,480
mean uh

2592
01:29:38,950 --> 01:29:36,800
you know the uh the land it was always

2593
01:29:42,350 --> 01:29:38,960
on actually if you go to my website

2594
01:29:43,990 --> 01:29:42,360
your listeners if you go to uh

2595
01:29:47,590 --> 01:29:44,000
ufopark.org

2596
01:29:49,189 --> 01:29:47,600
and go to monument issues you can see

2597
01:29:51,270 --> 01:29:49,199
what really happened the emails are

2598
01:29:53,110 --> 01:29:51,280
there the correspondence is there from

2599
01:29:55,510 --> 01:29:53,120
our attorneys in a town

2600
01:29:56,390 --> 01:29:55,520
um but in short i'll give i want to keep

2601
01:29:58,709 --> 01:29:56,400
it short

2602
01:30:00,550 --> 01:29:58,719
um when the tower moved it there by the

2603
01:30:04,149 --> 01:30:00,560
department of public works

2604
01:30:06,790 --> 01:30:04,159
they put it in kind of like an

2605
01:30:08,149 --> 01:30:06,800
an old um roundabout if you will before

2606
01:30:12,950 --> 01:30:08,159
the bridge

2607
01:30:14,870 --> 01:30:12,960
off the road was closed and it has been

2608
01:30:16,709 --> 01:30:14,880
since 1994.

2609
01:30:18,629 --> 01:30:16,719
the town actually lost its right of

2610
01:30:22,070 --> 01:30:18,639
passage through

2611
01:30:23,910 --> 01:30:22,080
the farmland so because it wasn't used

2612
01:30:25,590 --> 01:30:23,920
within so many years

2613
01:30:27,270 --> 01:30:25,600
yeah well no because the road was

2614
01:30:29,590 --> 01:30:27,280
unpassable it wasn't usable

2615
01:30:30,310 --> 01:30:29,600
and they didn't maintain it in any way

2616
01:30:31,910 --> 01:30:30,320
whether weather

2617
01:30:33,990 --> 01:30:31,920
spring now they never maintained the

2618
01:30:35,350 --> 01:30:34,000
road and then they put up these uh

2619
01:30:37,750 --> 01:30:35,360
wooden barriers just

2620
01:30:39,189 --> 01:30:37,760
to uh keep people from going through it

2621
01:30:39,590 --> 01:30:39,199
so that tells you right there they had

2622
01:30:41,750 --> 01:30:39,600
no

2623
01:30:43,110 --> 01:30:41,760
interest in it whatsoever at that point

2624
01:30:45,990 --> 01:30:43,120
i said all that

2625
01:30:46,709 --> 01:30:46,000
issue the rite of passage had sold the

2626
01:30:50,629 --> 01:30:46,719
land

2627
01:30:53,350 --> 01:30:50,639
transfer of deed

2628
01:30:54,390 --> 01:30:53,360
there was no longer a right-of-way

2629
01:30:56,310 --> 01:30:54,400
because

2630
01:30:58,229 --> 01:30:56,320
the county and the state their

2631
01:30:59,990 --> 01:30:58,239
commonwealth had shut that road down

2632
01:31:01,510 --> 01:31:00,000
it's what they call a paper road

2633
01:31:03,110 --> 01:31:01,520
it's a broad on paper but it's not a

2634
01:31:05,990 --> 01:31:03,120
real road because it's not

2635
01:31:07,510 --> 01:31:06,000
two cars can't get by each other and so

2636
01:31:09,669 --> 01:31:07,520
so long they hit in the middle

2637
01:31:10,790 --> 01:31:09,679
one's got to back up a mile or half a

2638
01:31:13,189 --> 01:31:10,800
mile right

2639
01:31:15,110 --> 01:31:13,199
so they closed the road so originally

2640
01:31:18,709 --> 01:31:15,120
the monument was put

2641
01:31:23,110 --> 01:31:18,719
near this abandoned rite of passage

2642
01:31:25,430 --> 01:31:23,120
that's where that was it and so

2643
01:31:26,550 --> 01:31:25,440
over here yeah so because it was put

2644
01:31:29,990 --> 01:31:26,560
there

2645
01:31:32,390 --> 01:31:30,000
um while i believe the acting

2646
01:31:34,229 --> 01:31:32,400
mayor or first selectman was not there

2647
01:31:36,149 --> 01:31:34,239
to make this decision

2648
01:31:38,310 --> 01:31:36,159
uh the two people that agreed to do the

2649
01:31:39,510 --> 01:31:38,320
one with the law firm in boston copeland

2650
01:31:42,550 --> 01:31:39,520
and page and mark

2651
01:31:44,550 --> 01:31:42,560
attorney they felt well

2652
01:31:46,229 --> 01:31:44,560
you know maybe we you know we should

2653
01:31:48,070 --> 01:31:46,239
move it it's infringing on what could be

2654
01:31:50,070 --> 01:31:48,080
a rite of passage and because of all the

2655
01:31:50,950 --> 01:31:50,080
attention and the tourism and the tv

2656
01:31:53,030 --> 01:31:50,960
shows

2657
01:31:54,229 --> 01:31:53,040
the town kind of thought well maybe we

2658
01:31:56,310 --> 01:31:54,239
can get down on this

2659
01:31:58,470 --> 01:31:56,320
if we move the monument you know we'll

2660
01:32:01,910 --> 01:31:58,480
have access to that side of the bridge

2661
01:32:03,669 --> 01:32:01,920
um or uh you know let's just try to get

2662
01:32:06,310 --> 01:32:03,679
our hands around this a little bit

2663
01:32:08,550 --> 01:32:06,320
and so they decided to move it but in

2664
01:32:10,149 --> 01:32:08,560
doing so because it had been so long and

2665
01:32:12,390 --> 01:32:10,159
no one really knew exactly what had

2666
01:32:15,510 --> 01:32:12,400
happened um

2667
01:32:18,470 --> 01:32:15,520
one of the select board members um

2668
01:32:18,950 --> 01:32:18,480
you know uh fabricated really a story

2669
01:32:21,030 --> 01:32:18,960
that

2670
01:32:22,709 --> 01:32:21,040
i put it there when in fact the woman

2671
01:32:24,390 --> 01:32:22,719
who said that was the woman who actually

2672
01:32:27,189 --> 01:32:24,400
orchestrated the whole thing

2673
01:32:28,790 --> 01:32:27,199
her name was nadine and um what she

2674
01:32:31,910 --> 01:32:28,800
finally admits

2675
01:32:32,790 --> 01:32:31,920
in a a video town hall meeting which is

2676
01:32:35,990 --> 01:32:32,800
on my

2677
01:32:38,550 --> 01:32:36,000
my my site oh yes i saw that that

2678
01:32:39,270 --> 01:32:38,560
yet actually had moved it to where she

2679
01:32:42,229 --> 01:32:39,280
thought

2680
01:32:43,189 --> 01:32:42,239
was private property but in fact you

2681
01:32:46,709 --> 01:32:43,199
know

2682
01:32:48,229 --> 01:32:46,719
she had it removed as if

2683
01:32:50,070 --> 01:32:48,239
i put it there because then it didn't

2684
01:32:51,430 --> 01:32:50,080
have to go through a town meeting a

2685
01:32:52,390 --> 01:32:51,440
census you know it didn't have to be

2686
01:32:53,669 --> 01:32:52,400
voted on

2687
01:32:55,990 --> 01:32:53,679
to whether or not they should take it or

2688
01:32:59,350 --> 01:32:56,000
not this was a quick way to do it

2689
01:33:00,950 --> 01:32:59,360
and um and you know so that's really

2690
01:33:03,750 --> 01:33:00,960
what happened it was never

2691
01:33:04,629 --> 01:33:03,760
put there by me it was installed by the

2692
01:33:07,990 --> 01:33:04,639
town

2693
01:33:09,430 --> 01:33:08,000
um and and let's face it i mean i

2694
01:33:11,189 --> 01:33:09,440
i know a lot of people put a lot of time

2695
01:33:14,310 --> 01:33:11,199
and money to donate towards that

2696
01:33:17,110 --> 01:33:14,320
marker but i understand that it's not

2697
01:33:18,070 --> 01:33:17,120
a good looking monument right it's it is

2698
01:33:19,750 --> 01:33:18,080
concrete

2699
01:33:21,990 --> 01:33:19,760
and it had a plaque on it so a lot of

2700
01:33:23,510 --> 01:33:22,000
people didn't like the way it looked

2701
01:33:25,430 --> 01:33:23,520
and that of course that played a part

2702
01:33:28,149 --> 01:33:25,440
too but why it's

2703
01:33:30,070 --> 01:33:28,159
why it's meaningful to me is that it was

2704
01:33:33,350 --> 01:33:30,080
the witnesses that paid for that

2705
01:33:35,750 --> 01:33:33,360
the community paid for that so

2706
01:33:37,590 --> 01:33:35,760
now it's not an attractive piece but it

2707
01:33:38,709 --> 01:33:37,600
is on private property and was on

2708
01:33:41,510 --> 01:33:38,719
private property

2709
01:33:43,990 --> 01:33:41,520
and it was later on in 2019 i think or

2710
01:33:45,910 --> 01:33:44,000
december of 2019 it was actually deemed

2711
01:33:49,990 --> 01:33:45,920
the landmark in massachusetts

2712
01:33:52,229 --> 01:33:50,000
yup so it was a very heartfelt thing

2713
01:33:53,350 --> 01:33:52,239
so these witnesses these kids right they

2714
01:33:55,110 --> 01:33:53,360
didn't have a lot of money a lot of

2715
01:33:58,070 --> 01:33:55,120
these kids they put in five dollars 10

2716
01:33:59,270 --> 01:33:58,080
20 whatever it was to build a marker in

2717
01:34:02,470 --> 01:33:59,280
memory of what happened

2718
01:34:04,550 --> 01:34:02,480
because of that validation so

2719
01:34:06,629 --> 01:34:04,560
to for the town to take it was kind of

2720
01:34:08,709 --> 01:34:06,639
an insult to the community

2721
01:34:10,070 --> 01:34:08,719
but then again maybe we can get a better

2722
01:34:12,390 --> 01:34:10,080
marker later on you know

2723
01:34:13,350 --> 01:34:12,400
maybe it served its purpose i don't know

2724
01:34:15,270 --> 01:34:13,360
but

2725
01:34:16,470 --> 01:34:15,280
that's really what happened and it and

2726
01:34:18,149 --> 01:34:16,480
and it was just uh

2727
01:34:20,550 --> 01:34:18,159
something that was built by the locals

2728
01:34:22,229 --> 01:34:20,560
and put on private property and

2729
01:34:24,149 --> 01:34:22,239
and uh a couple people didn't like the

2730
01:34:26,470 --> 01:34:24,159
way it looked you know some people

2731
01:34:28,229 --> 01:34:26,480
what you know whatever but maybe they

2732
01:34:29,590 --> 01:34:28,239
were hoping for granite

2733
01:34:31,110 --> 01:34:29,600
i don't know but it weighed like five

2734
01:34:32,149 --> 01:34:31,120
thousand pounds would have been nice

2735
01:34:33,830 --> 01:34:32,159
yeah yeah

2736
01:34:35,510 --> 01:34:33,840
kevin what was your part you had a part

2737
01:34:38,870 --> 01:34:35,520
in this right

2738
01:34:40,310 --> 01:34:38,880
uh and part of this i saw your signature

2739
01:34:42,550 --> 01:34:40,320
somewhere didn't i

2740
01:34:43,510 --> 01:34:42,560
yeah on on the documents for the

2741
01:34:46,709 --> 01:34:43,520
governor of

2742
01:34:50,310 --> 01:34:46,719
massachusetts i sealed it i also

2743
01:34:51,590 --> 01:34:50,320
sealed the um historical society uh

2744
01:34:53,189 --> 01:34:51,600
papers that were given to tom the

2745
01:34:54,790 --> 01:34:53,199
letters if you look at the bottom you'll

2746
01:34:55,510 --> 01:34:54,800
see my signatures right in the bottom

2747
01:34:58,470 --> 01:34:55,520
there

2748
01:35:00,310 --> 01:34:58,480
yeah let me uh we have a call coming in

2749
01:35:01,109 --> 01:35:00,320
but uh hang on just a second let me pull

2750
01:35:02,629 --> 01:35:01,119
this uh

2751
01:35:04,870 --> 01:35:02,639
phone number out of here so people can

2752
01:35:06,390 --> 01:35:04,880
actually see this and

2753
01:35:08,229 --> 01:35:06,400
we'll come back and this is of course

2754
01:35:11,030 --> 01:35:08,239
for the people on youtube um

2755
01:35:11,590 --> 01:35:11,040
i will have a link in our in our show

2756
01:35:15,350 --> 01:35:11,600
notes

2757
01:35:18,790 --> 01:35:15,360
uh where you can uh see all this stuff

2758
01:35:21,350 --> 01:35:18,800
now uh if you want to take a call or do

2759
01:35:23,109 --> 01:35:21,360
you want to talk about this document

2760
01:35:24,950 --> 01:35:23,119
all right go ahead do whatever you want

2761
01:35:27,590 --> 01:35:24,960
to do all right

2762
01:35:28,870 --> 01:35:27,600
i think i think i will take this call

2763
01:35:33,189 --> 01:35:28,880
and

2764
01:35:36,709 --> 01:35:33,199
it is uh let's see ronald calling from

2765
01:35:39,270 --> 01:35:36,719
minnesota uh hang on just a second

2766
01:35:41,669 --> 01:35:39,280
how are you doing this is ronald hi

2767
01:35:43,430 --> 01:35:41,679
ronald i met you a couple years ago and

2768
01:35:45,430 --> 01:35:43,440
kevin i didn't get to meet you but i

2769
01:35:48,629 --> 01:35:45,440
wanted to maybe next time

2770
01:35:49,109 --> 01:35:48,639
nice to hear from you i want to ask both

2771
01:35:52,470 --> 01:35:49,119
of you

2772
01:35:55,510 --> 01:35:52,480
um have you had any uh

2773
01:35:58,950 --> 01:35:55,520
aside from maybe some

2774
01:36:00,950 --> 01:35:58,960
lasting uh effects from the event

2775
01:36:02,149 --> 01:36:00,960
you know like post traumatic stress

2776
01:36:04,870 --> 01:36:02,159
maybe

2777
01:36:06,430 --> 01:36:04,880
um have you had anything like nightmares

2778
01:36:09,350 --> 01:36:06,440
have you had any

2779
01:36:12,950 --> 01:36:09,360
revisitation from any

2780
01:36:17,350 --> 01:36:12,960
new uh or maybe the same people but

2781
01:36:19,990 --> 01:36:17,360
new visitations over the years

2782
01:36:22,070 --> 01:36:20,000
i haven't had anything like that just

2783
01:36:22,629 --> 01:36:22,080
the memory of it sometimes can be kind

2784
01:36:24,229 --> 01:36:22,639
of

2785
01:36:25,669 --> 01:36:24,239
haunting it's a great story to talk

2786
01:36:28,470 --> 01:36:25,679
about during halloween if you want to

2787
01:36:34,310 --> 01:36:31,750
yeah like that yeah uh but uh i i mean

2788
01:36:36,229 --> 01:36:34,320
uh it was it was something that a 11 and

2789
01:36:37,590 --> 01:36:36,239
a half year old person would find very

2790
01:36:42,790 --> 01:36:37,600
um

2791
01:36:44,149 --> 01:36:42,800
lot scary things in my life but

2792
01:36:45,990 --> 01:36:44,159
i would have to say that that was

2793
01:36:47,750 --> 01:36:46,000
something would be very memorable

2794
01:36:50,070 --> 01:36:47,760
especially for me because like after

2795
01:36:51,910 --> 01:36:50,080
that i i guess i became a sci-fi

2796
01:36:53,669 --> 01:36:51,920
guru or something like that and of

2797
01:36:54,149 --> 01:36:53,679
course you know all the monster movies

2798
01:36:55,990 --> 01:36:54,159
everybody

2799
01:36:57,510 --> 01:36:56,000
you know picked up and just did you just

2800
01:36:58,390 --> 01:36:57,520
you forget about those kind of things

2801
01:37:00,950 --> 01:36:58,400
but uh

2802
01:37:01,990 --> 01:37:00,960
um i don't know tom what about you yeah

2803
01:37:04,070 --> 01:37:02,000
we uh

2804
01:37:06,070 --> 01:37:04,080
my brother and i had a an experience

2805
01:37:09,430 --> 01:37:06,080
again and around 2009

2806
01:37:11,430 --> 01:37:09,440
my brother was actually uh in

2807
01:37:13,030 --> 01:37:11,440
indiana and he was part of the kokomo

2808
01:37:14,470 --> 01:37:13,040
boom which a lot of people still

2809
01:37:16,950 --> 01:37:14,480
remember

2810
01:37:18,790 --> 01:37:16,960
which is how you know fox picked it up

2811
01:37:20,550 --> 01:37:18,800
and

2812
01:37:21,990 --> 01:37:20,560
you can actually see the article about

2813
01:37:25,270 --> 01:37:22,000
our family into

2814
01:37:29,189 --> 01:37:25,280
the 2009 incident if you google matt

2815
01:37:30,629 --> 01:37:29,199
reed is alienated indianapolis monthly

2816
01:37:33,750 --> 01:37:30,639
magazine

2817
01:37:34,390 --> 01:37:33,760
alienated oh yeah it was a six article

2818
01:37:36,790 --> 01:37:34,400
it's very

2819
01:37:38,149 --> 01:37:36,800
it's actually a very good article and it

2820
01:37:38,709 --> 01:37:38,159
talks a lot about matthew and his

2821
01:37:40,550 --> 01:37:38,719
involvement

2822
01:37:42,229 --> 01:37:40,560
in the kokomo boom but what interesting

2823
01:37:45,510 --> 01:37:42,239
about that is his son

2824
01:37:47,669 --> 01:37:45,520
uh was turning um i believe it was six

2825
01:37:49,030 --> 01:37:47,679
um when that happened in the same age

2826
01:37:51,830 --> 01:37:49,040
that matthew was

2827
01:37:53,189 --> 01:37:51,840
and uh and i had an experience in my in

2828
01:37:54,950 --> 01:37:53,199
my home too and i still have a lot of

2829
01:37:56,950 --> 01:37:54,960
paranormal activity in the in the home

2830
01:37:59,270 --> 01:37:56,960
and a lot of people around me actually

2831
01:38:01,590 --> 01:37:59,280
pick up on it or see things so mine is

2832
01:38:04,709 --> 01:38:01,600
more of a

2833
01:38:07,830 --> 01:38:04,719
an extended um sensory

2834
01:38:09,350 --> 01:38:07,840
i guess i um i see things and you know

2835
01:38:10,229 --> 01:38:09,360
hear things in the house steps

2836
01:38:11,910 --> 01:38:10,239
you know that kind of thing it's more of

2837
01:38:13,510 --> 01:38:11,920
a paranormal type of thing now so

2838
01:38:15,270 --> 01:38:13,520
wherever that came from was it part of

2839
01:38:18,470 --> 01:38:15,280
this or not i don't really know

2840
01:38:19,109 --> 01:38:18,480
but um again it's pretty strong at times

2841
01:38:21,910 --> 01:38:19,119
and my son

2842
01:38:24,310 --> 01:38:21,920
actually um is very intuitive and and

2843
01:38:26,790 --> 01:38:24,320
you know he'd call me up one night and

2844
01:38:28,550 --> 01:38:26,800
and say uh you know daddy okay and i'm

2845
01:38:29,669 --> 01:38:28,560
like well yeah i'm okay check the house

2846
01:38:31,430 --> 01:38:29,679
in a panic

2847
01:38:33,109 --> 01:38:31,440
and i would run down to the basement

2848
01:38:33,669 --> 01:38:33,119
because when he says something i i take

2849
01:38:36,229 --> 01:38:33,679
his word

2850
01:38:37,109 --> 01:38:36,239
he's pretty he's got a weird thing going

2851
01:38:39,990 --> 01:38:37,119
on and

2852
01:38:41,750 --> 01:38:40,000
and so i um you know i trust when he

2853
01:38:44,149 --> 01:38:41,760
says to look i look and

2854
01:38:44,790 --> 01:38:44,159
and um so he wasn't happy with the fact

2855
01:38:46,550 --> 01:38:44,800
that

2856
01:38:47,910 --> 01:38:46,560
i said i was okay so he drove about an

2857
01:38:49,910 --> 01:38:47,920
hour to get to my house

2858
01:38:52,149 --> 01:38:49,920
really as he was coming around the

2859
01:38:53,189 --> 01:38:52,159
corner um at like two o'clock to check

2860
01:38:56,629 --> 01:38:53,199
on me in the morning

2861
01:38:58,870 --> 01:38:56,639
there was an suv upside down with a man

2862
01:39:00,550 --> 01:38:58,880
you know crushed out of the sunroof but

2863
01:39:03,109 --> 01:39:00,560
it was on our property so

2864
01:39:04,629 --> 01:39:03,119
he kind of felt that 45 minutes or an

2865
01:39:06,310 --> 01:39:04,639
hour before it happened and he's been

2866
01:39:07,750 --> 01:39:06,320
doing things like that pretty

2867
01:39:09,270 --> 01:39:07,760
pretty regularly he was tested at the

2868
01:39:11,189 --> 01:39:09,280
miami children's hospital he was

2869
01:39:13,189 --> 01:39:11,199
evaluated

2870
01:39:14,310 --> 01:39:13,199
at a physicians or center here in

2871
01:39:15,750 --> 01:39:14,320
knoxville

2872
01:39:17,430 --> 01:39:15,760
and uh he tested higher than a

2873
01:39:19,109 --> 01:39:17,440
coincidental chance which is how he got

2874
01:39:21,030 --> 01:39:19,119
the nickname chance

2875
01:39:22,629 --> 01:39:21,040
and um actually travis was with me once

2876
01:39:24,229 --> 01:39:22,639
and we were in cincinnati where he

2877
01:39:27,750 --> 01:39:24,239
tested the zenith cards

2878
01:39:30,870 --> 01:39:27,760
and uh he was like way above normal but

2879
01:39:33,510 --> 01:39:30,880
with this type of um chance right

2880
01:39:35,750 --> 01:39:33,520
however vic you know where's the square

2881
01:39:38,470 --> 01:39:35,760
and when they tested him um

2882
01:39:40,149 --> 01:39:38,480
at the um the center here in knoxville

2883
01:39:41,750 --> 01:39:40,159
um he was in a conference room

2884
01:39:43,669 --> 01:39:41,760
in another room and they were talking to

2885
01:39:45,590 --> 01:39:43,679
him over a speaker phone

2886
01:39:46,709 --> 01:39:45,600
and they had drawings and things and he

2887
01:39:49,350 --> 01:39:46,719
was getting things

2888
01:39:51,350 --> 01:39:49,360
really i mean it's documented enough

2889
01:39:54,310 --> 01:39:51,360
with these doctors i mean we have the

2890
01:39:55,750 --> 01:39:54,320
letters to show this so is this where

2891
01:39:56,709 --> 01:39:55,760
does this come from i guess is a better

2892
01:39:58,950 --> 01:39:56,719
question you know

2893
01:40:00,629 --> 01:39:58,960
yeah yeah those are you know we've

2894
01:40:02,950 --> 01:40:00,639
always said

2895
01:40:03,669 --> 01:40:02,960
was you know was something exchanged we

2896
01:40:05,430 --> 01:40:03,679
did something

2897
01:40:07,590 --> 01:40:05,440
open up expand when it's happened as

2898
01:40:08,950 --> 01:40:07,600
children and um

2899
01:40:11,270 --> 01:40:08,960
and it's just interesting you know my

2900
01:40:15,669 --> 01:40:11,280
brother's son is a computer programmer

2901
01:40:17,669 --> 01:40:15,679
um my son's got an iq of like like 160.

2902
01:40:20,870 --> 01:40:17,679
i mean and you know if you knew his

2903
01:40:23,189 --> 01:40:20,880
mother he didn't get it from her

2904
01:40:25,430 --> 01:40:23,199
oh she's going to love hearing that yeah

2905
01:40:27,270 --> 01:40:25,440
that's uh that's bill gates uh i too

2906
01:40:28,870 --> 01:40:27,280
i think it is so we don't know where he

2907
01:40:30,390 --> 01:40:28,880
gets us from yeah uh are you still

2908
01:40:33,669 --> 01:40:30,400
married

2909
01:40:35,910 --> 01:40:33,679
no okay

2910
01:40:37,590 --> 01:40:35,920
all right i'm divorced yeah all right

2911
01:40:38,310 --> 01:40:37,600
well we have uh we have fred calling

2912
01:40:41,430 --> 01:40:38,320
from new york

2913
01:40:44,550 --> 01:40:41,440
uh welcome to the show fred

2914
01:40:47,189 --> 01:40:44,560
okay hi guys am i on hi there you got a

2915
01:40:49,270 --> 01:40:47,199
question for our guests or guests

2916
01:40:51,030 --> 01:40:49,280
yes i do i'd like to talk to mr reed i

2917
01:40:52,390 --> 01:40:51,040
had two questions for him actually uh i

2918
01:40:53,830 --> 01:40:52,400
came late to the show here but i'm

2919
01:40:57,189 --> 01:40:53,840
familiar with his uh

2920
01:41:01,109 --> 01:40:57,199
encounter uh as an experience for myself

2921
01:41:03,430 --> 01:41:01,119
uh of 25 years i i would like to

2922
01:41:05,830 --> 01:41:03,440
a little bit of advice how he's dealt

2923
01:41:10,550 --> 01:41:05,840
with this for so many years

2924
01:41:14,550 --> 01:41:13,030
in his heart that there's more to this

2925
01:41:15,350 --> 01:41:14,560
experience that he's encountered and

2926
01:41:17,590 --> 01:41:15,360
many of us

2927
01:41:18,390 --> 01:41:17,600
else had that's what's going on in our

2928
01:41:20,149 --> 01:41:18,400
world today

2929
01:41:21,750 --> 01:41:20,159
how does he feel this all plays in with

2930
01:41:24,790 --> 01:41:21,760
this whole

2931
01:41:27,590 --> 01:41:24,800
geopolitical drama that we are

2932
01:41:28,390 --> 01:41:27,600
witnessing all across the globe how does

2933
01:41:33,109 --> 01:41:28,400
he feel

2934
01:41:37,189 --> 01:41:33,119
guts in his in his his i feel

2935
01:41:39,910 --> 01:41:37,199
why the activity to begin with and

2936
01:41:41,750 --> 01:41:39,920
is that when you're in fact just the

2937
01:41:42,229 --> 01:41:41,760
fact that he knows that he knows that

2938
01:41:48,790 --> 01:41:42,239
the

2939
01:41:50,709 --> 01:41:48,800
it's obviously uh comes here it's hair

2940
01:41:52,950 --> 01:41:50,719
i've seen it myself

2941
01:41:54,070 --> 01:41:52,960
what does this mean for mankind does he

2942
01:41:55,990 --> 01:41:54,080
say this i mean i

2943
01:41:58,149 --> 01:41:56,000
have nations that may be in the way this

2944
01:42:01,270 --> 01:41:58,159
world is going if this is connected

2945
01:42:02,629 --> 01:42:01,280
i would say this um maybe this will help

2946
01:42:04,950 --> 01:42:02,639
um

2947
01:42:06,229 --> 01:42:04,960
there our earth has had what seven

2948
01:42:09,350 --> 01:42:06,239
extinctions

2949
01:42:12,310 --> 01:42:09,360
yes six or seven yeah six or seven

2950
01:42:13,750 --> 01:42:12,320
yeah we have over eight million species

2951
01:42:18,390 --> 01:42:13,760
thriving here

2952
01:42:20,629 --> 01:42:18,400
simultaneously which means that

2953
01:42:22,149 --> 01:42:20,639
to you know to have offspring there has

2954
01:42:24,390 --> 01:42:22,159
to be at least 16

2955
01:42:25,590 --> 01:42:24,400
million or 32 million if they want to

2956
01:42:28,709 --> 01:42:25,600
all be you know

2957
01:42:31,189 --> 01:42:28,719
inbred animals right so we've got eight

2958
01:42:33,910 --> 01:42:31,199
million species thriving here

2959
01:42:34,790 --> 01:42:33,920
on a planet that has this strange access

2960
01:42:37,590 --> 01:42:34,800
so

2961
01:42:38,950 --> 01:42:37,600
it allows for climate you know dif

2962
01:42:40,550 --> 01:42:38,960
multitude of different climates you know

2963
01:42:41,430 --> 01:42:40,560
we've got brackish water fresh water

2964
01:42:43,910 --> 01:42:41,440
salt water saltwater

2965
01:42:44,870 --> 01:42:43,920
rainforest desert and everything seems

2966
01:42:46,870 --> 01:42:44,880
to be very

2967
01:42:48,070 --> 01:42:46,880
orchestrated everything is where it

2968
01:42:51,350 --> 01:42:48,080
needs to be to

2969
01:42:54,149 --> 01:42:51,360
to thrive and have offspring and and um

2970
01:42:55,990 --> 01:42:54,159
and so i look at the the pollutants the

2971
01:42:57,910 --> 01:42:56,000
water back to the water and great you

2972
01:43:00,470 --> 01:42:57,920
know great parenting sheffield

2973
01:43:02,390 --> 01:43:00,480
and i think to myself that you know this

2974
01:43:04,709 --> 01:43:02,400
planet is pretty well

2975
01:43:06,229 --> 01:43:04,719
stocked they're coming from somewhere we

2976
01:43:06,629 --> 01:43:06,239
have eight you know seven extinctions

2977
01:43:09,109 --> 01:43:06,639
right

2978
01:43:09,990 --> 01:43:09,119
they're coming from somewhere i look at

2979
01:43:11,750 --> 01:43:10,000
this earth

2980
01:43:13,990 --> 01:43:11,760
and i say to myself this is gap the

2981
01:43:15,990 --> 01:43:14,000
galaxy's arc

2982
01:43:17,910 --> 01:43:16,000
you know i think we are made up of a lot

2983
01:43:19,910 --> 01:43:17,920
of different species from a multitude of

2984
01:43:22,950 --> 01:43:19,920
different planets or stars

2985
01:43:25,430 --> 01:43:22,960
and um we're here to you know

2986
01:43:27,109 --> 01:43:25,440
as a way to preserve different forms of

2987
01:43:30,149 --> 01:43:27,119
life

2988
01:43:32,950 --> 01:43:30,159
and uh and so

2989
01:43:34,310 --> 01:43:32,960
we're we're alien you know we weren't

2990
01:43:36,950 --> 01:43:34,320
from here

2991
01:43:38,870 --> 01:43:36,960
um and and as far as the o negative

2992
01:43:40,390 --> 01:43:38,880
blood group um

2993
01:43:42,390 --> 01:43:40,400
we are a different species within a

2994
01:43:44,790 --> 01:43:42,400
species

2995
01:43:46,149 --> 01:43:44,800
my body temperature runs at 97.1 just

2996
01:43:47,669 --> 01:43:46,159
because you have a different type of

2997
01:43:50,070 --> 01:43:47,679
blood doesn't mean your body should run

2998
01:43:52,950 --> 01:43:50,080
two degrees below normal

2999
01:43:54,390 --> 01:43:52,960
it doesn't make any sense um so i i

3000
01:43:55,510 --> 01:43:54,400
think that we are here as a way to

3001
01:43:59,510 --> 01:43:55,520
preserve life

3002
01:44:01,109 --> 01:43:59,520
this planet is an ark and um

3003
01:44:02,629 --> 01:44:01,119
and with that i think that one day our

3004
01:44:04,229 --> 01:44:02,639
sun's going to burn out

3005
01:44:06,550 --> 01:44:04,239
and those who can are going to leave

3006
01:44:08,229 --> 01:44:06,560
this planet and go elsewhere

3007
01:44:09,590 --> 01:44:08,239
and we're going to bring life with us

3008
01:44:10,709 --> 01:44:09,600
too we're going to need food we're going

3009
01:44:12,629 --> 01:44:10,719
to need vitamins we're going to need

3010
01:44:14,870 --> 01:44:12,639
vegetables we're going to need fruit

3011
01:44:16,070 --> 01:44:14,880
um and so we're not going to want to eat

3012
01:44:17,590 --> 01:44:16,080
meat all day so we're going to bring

3013
01:44:19,990 --> 01:44:17,600
fish we're going to bring chicken

3014
01:44:20,870 --> 01:44:20,000
so you know we are one day going to move

3015
01:44:24,070 --> 01:44:20,880
on too

3016
01:44:25,350 --> 01:44:24,080
um if this planet lasts that long so

3017
01:44:27,270 --> 01:44:25,360
that's kind of what i think is happening

3018
01:44:28,470 --> 01:44:27,280
and i think what we saw in sheffield and

3019
01:44:29,669 --> 01:44:28,480
why i mentioned the water

3020
01:44:31,350 --> 01:44:29,679
because i do think there's a connection

3021
01:44:33,030 --> 01:44:31,360
to water without fresh water everything

3022
01:44:36,310 --> 01:44:33,040
dies

3023
01:44:38,470 --> 01:44:36,320
you know everything does yeah

3024
01:44:39,990 --> 01:44:38,480
as far as we know hey uh fred thanks for

3025
01:44:42,310 --> 01:44:40,000
the call

3026
01:44:43,510 --> 01:44:42,320
oh thanks a lot for sure guys thank you

3027
01:44:45,350 --> 01:44:43,520
all right

3028
01:44:46,870 --> 01:44:45,360
so the lines open we can i think we're

3029
01:44:49,510 --> 01:44:46,880
only going to be able to take one call

3030
01:44:51,430 --> 01:44:49,520
uh at this point you know i've mentioned

3031
01:44:51,990 --> 01:44:51,440
this on the show a number of times uh

3032
01:44:54,070 --> 01:44:52,000
tom

3033
01:44:55,189 --> 01:44:54,080
but i've never never told you this um

3034
01:44:56,950 --> 01:44:55,199
years ago

3035
01:44:59,510 --> 01:44:56,960
before i was really even looking into

3036
01:45:02,790 --> 01:44:59,520
this topic i had a uh i had a

3037
01:45:05,030 --> 01:45:02,800
ufo i had i had an insurance broker

3038
01:45:06,229 --> 01:45:05,040
for life insurance that told me he was

3039
01:45:10,390 --> 01:45:06,239
in a special force

3040
01:45:12,950 --> 01:45:10,400
during vietnam war that studied ufos

3041
01:45:14,229 --> 01:45:12,960
and uh he and i asked you know i was

3042
01:45:16,709 --> 01:45:14,239
like really curious

3043
01:45:18,470 --> 01:45:16,719
asking him questions and he said to me

3044
01:45:21,510 --> 01:45:18,480
uh i mean i said to him

3045
01:45:22,709 --> 01:45:21,520
well why why would they if if it's if

3046
01:45:24,310 --> 01:45:22,719
we're being visited why

3047
01:45:26,310 --> 01:45:24,320
why are we being visited and he said

3048
01:45:28,709 --> 01:45:26,320
because we're a petri dish

3049
01:45:29,669 --> 01:45:28,719
yeah my brother says the same thing

3050
01:45:33,109 --> 01:45:29,679
discovery channel

3051
01:45:35,990 --> 01:45:33,119
2012. yeah is that right well yeah

3052
01:45:37,350 --> 01:45:36,000
pretty much um he said that's no when i

3053
01:45:38,790 --> 01:45:37,360
asked him what the government thought

3054
01:45:40,870 --> 01:45:38,800
that's what the question was to him what

3055
01:45:42,950 --> 01:45:40,880
does a government think this is

3056
01:45:44,550 --> 01:45:42,960
and that's what he said which is which

3057
01:45:46,229 --> 01:45:44,560
is fascinating i mean we'll

3058
01:45:47,830 --> 01:45:46,239
we'll probably never know but it's still

3059
01:45:49,270 --> 01:45:47,840
a very interesting concept you know not

3060
01:45:52,070 --> 01:45:49,280
in our lifetime anyway

3061
01:45:53,830 --> 01:45:52,080
but yeah so so can we get back to the

3062
01:45:56,709 --> 01:45:53,840
can i address the um

3063
01:45:57,510 --> 01:45:56,719
mark if you add up yeah sure okay so if

3064
01:45:59,830 --> 01:45:57,520
you can put the

3065
01:46:02,390 --> 01:45:59,840
government's i'm sorry the governor's

3066
01:46:03,750 --> 01:46:02,400
citations back up the side by side yes

3067
01:46:05,350 --> 01:46:03,760
all right something come up or been

3068
01:46:07,109 --> 01:46:05,360
written about and even coast to coast

3069
01:46:10,550 --> 01:46:07,119
had it on their site at one point

3070
01:46:13,189 --> 01:46:10,560
that the citation

3071
01:46:15,830 --> 01:46:13,199
was written an error now if you look at

3072
01:46:18,149 --> 01:46:15,840
the citation on the left of the screen

3073
01:46:19,109 --> 01:46:18,159
that was written in october and if you

3074
01:46:21,270 --> 01:46:19,119
look at the

3075
01:46:23,750 --> 01:46:21,280
the citation on the right that was

3076
01:46:27,030 --> 01:46:23,760
issued to our family in november

3077
01:46:29,350 --> 01:46:27,040
the only difference is a date

3078
01:46:31,669 --> 01:46:29,360
the citation on the left the very first

3079
01:46:32,229 --> 01:46:31,679
one that was issued in october of 2015

3080
01:46:35,270 --> 01:46:32,239
by the

3081
01:46:37,910 --> 01:46:35,280
governor of massachusetts was missing

3082
01:46:39,350 --> 01:46:37,920
the date of incident so there was an

3083
01:46:42,310 --> 01:46:39,360
error

3084
01:46:44,229 --> 01:46:42,320
in the citation because it lacked the

3085
01:46:46,790 --> 01:46:44,239
date of occurrence

3086
01:46:47,590 --> 01:46:46,800
it was not written in error it had an

3087
01:46:49,030 --> 01:46:47,600
error

3088
01:46:50,870 --> 01:46:49,040
and what they don't tell you in the

3089
01:46:53,109 --> 01:46:50,880
papers and what the a lot of the

3090
01:46:54,870 --> 01:46:53,119
journalists you know they'll leave out

3091
01:46:58,310 --> 01:46:54,880
is that it was amended

3092
01:47:00,310 --> 01:46:58,320
and reissued in november so

3093
01:47:01,750 --> 01:47:00,320
that's all you hear out there is that it

3094
01:47:05,030 --> 01:47:01,760
was it was uh

3095
01:47:07,750 --> 01:47:05,040
bogus or or not

3096
01:47:08,550 --> 01:47:07,760
or a a citation that didn't mean

3097
01:47:11,590 --> 01:47:08,560
anything uh

3098
01:47:12,390 --> 01:47:11,600
what is what the uh you know there's a a

3099
01:47:14,149 --> 01:47:12,400
reporter a

3100
01:47:16,070 --> 01:47:14,159
local reporter who's not very supportive

3101
01:47:17,030 --> 01:47:16,080
of the topic you know fallen angels that

3102
01:47:19,430 --> 01:47:17,040
kind of thing

3103
01:47:20,709 --> 01:47:19,440
and he wrote you know that the citation

3104
01:47:22,229 --> 01:47:20,719
was written in error

3105
01:47:23,910 --> 01:47:22,239
and then that turned into it was

3106
01:47:26,310 --> 01:47:23,920
disavowed and then

3107
01:47:27,669 --> 01:47:26,320
you know it got ridiculous and it's it

3108
01:47:27,910 --> 01:47:27,679
nothing could be further from the truth

3109
01:47:29,669 --> 01:47:27,920
they

3110
01:47:31,350 --> 01:47:29,679
had a mistake and the governor reissued

3111
01:47:33,270 --> 01:47:31,360
it i mean that's all that happened

3112
01:47:34,950 --> 01:47:33,280
and the government's the citation on the

3113
01:47:36,310 --> 01:47:34,960
right the one written in november

3114
01:47:38,550 --> 01:47:36,320
is the one that's in the park and it's

3115
01:47:40,070 --> 01:47:38,560
the one that was on the monument and so

3116
01:47:42,390 --> 01:47:40,080
uh it's i think it's a little misleading

3117
01:47:43,350 --> 01:47:42,400
i mean not that it it was wrong it was

3118
01:47:45,350 --> 01:47:43,360
written in error

3119
01:47:46,790 --> 01:47:45,360
but it made it he didn't never follows

3120
01:47:47,669 --> 01:47:46,800
it up by saying that there was another

3121
01:47:49,510 --> 01:47:47,679
one that was

3122
01:47:52,149 --> 01:47:49,520
you know reissued which makes it sound

3123
01:47:54,470 --> 01:47:52,159
like it was disavowed in some way

3124
01:47:56,070 --> 01:47:54,480
and um it's just nice to clear that up

3125
01:47:57,990 --> 01:47:56,080
you know because it's uh

3126
01:47:59,109 --> 01:47:58,000
kevin sealed it you know it's sealed by

3127
01:48:00,470 --> 01:47:59,119
a circuit court judge

3128
01:48:02,229 --> 01:48:00,480
and something else i want to mention

3129
01:48:03,270 --> 01:48:02,239
kevin i don't want to rain on your

3130
01:48:06,310 --> 01:48:03,280
parade here but

3131
01:48:10,149 --> 01:48:06,320
correct you know when an attorney

3132
01:48:13,189 --> 01:48:10,159
or a judge seals

3133
01:48:14,550 --> 01:48:13,199
a citation from the governor it can

3134
01:48:19,350 --> 01:48:14,560
never be

3135
01:48:22,470 --> 01:48:19,360
uh rescinded right correct

3136
01:48:25,189 --> 01:48:22,480
so when just like if i'm

3137
01:48:27,109 --> 01:48:25,199
correct me if i'm wrong but even

3138
01:48:27,750 --> 01:48:27,119
politicians have to adhere by certain

3139
01:48:30,870 --> 01:48:27,760
laws

3140
01:48:32,550 --> 01:48:30,880
and if they've got documents that they

3141
01:48:35,830 --> 01:48:32,560
want sealed in a

3142
01:48:38,870 --> 01:48:35,840
by a judger you know in court

3143
01:48:42,070 --> 01:48:38,880
once they're sealed it's an official

3144
01:48:45,669 --> 01:48:42,080
what how do you word it uncontested

3145
01:48:47,590 --> 01:48:45,679
official government document uh tom so

3146
01:48:49,189 --> 01:48:47,600
what is just for a lot of people going

3147
01:48:50,390 --> 01:48:49,199
to be most people going to be listening

3148
01:48:51,750 --> 01:48:50,400
to this instead of

3149
01:48:53,510 --> 01:48:51,760
watching and of course as i mentioned

3150
01:48:54,070 --> 01:48:53,520
earlier we're going to have the links to

3151
01:48:57,430 --> 01:48:54,080
this but

3152
01:48:57,830 --> 01:48:57,440
um what does the citation say what is

3153
01:49:01,189 --> 01:48:57,840
this

3154
01:49:04,229 --> 01:49:01,199
in a way

3155
01:49:05,270 --> 01:49:04,239
right it is a historical dish what it

3156
01:49:08,550 --> 01:49:05,280
basically

3157
01:49:08,790 --> 01:49:08,560
surrounds to is that it it it identifies

3158
01:49:16,229 --> 01:49:08,800
and

3159
01:49:16,950 --> 01:49:16,239
facts have been evaluated the witnesses

3160
01:49:19,350 --> 01:49:16,960
have been

3161
01:49:20,709 --> 01:49:19,360
basically a lot of them been spoken to

3162
01:49:22,709 --> 01:49:20,719
and written about

3163
01:49:24,070 --> 01:49:22,719
um then what you see if you look at the

3164
01:49:26,229 --> 01:49:24,080
dark more i sealed it

3165
01:49:28,149 --> 01:49:26,239
on the very top you see my golden shield

3166
01:49:30,229 --> 01:49:28,159
that's my actual stamp shield

3167
01:49:31,430 --> 01:49:30,239
which that is official once that adheres

3168
01:49:33,990 --> 01:49:31,440
that document

3169
01:49:34,870 --> 01:49:34,000
that says this is actual legal document

3170
01:49:37,669 --> 01:49:34,880
it can be uh

3171
01:49:38,790 --> 01:49:37,679
it cannot be you know dissuaded from it

3172
01:49:41,589 --> 01:49:38,800
cannot be anything

3173
01:49:43,030 --> 01:49:41,599
it's just it's just this is it it's uh i

3174
01:49:44,229 --> 01:49:43,040
put my name to it because i've

3175
01:49:47,189 --> 01:49:44,239
researched it and

3176
01:49:48,950 --> 01:49:47,199
and thoroughly went into it and uh uh

3177
01:49:50,790 --> 01:49:48,960
the documents the governor's signature

3178
01:49:53,270 --> 01:49:50,800
is correct it is him

3179
01:49:54,950 --> 01:49:53,280
um i mean it was just like everybody had

3180
01:49:57,030 --> 01:49:54,960
to be identified who was who

3181
01:50:00,070 --> 01:49:57,040
and and that's what happened the

3182
01:50:03,510 --> 01:50:00,080
question what would meditation mean

3183
01:50:07,350 --> 01:50:03,520
like you know what it means yeah

3184
01:50:11,109 --> 01:50:07,360
it's the first case to be oh

3185
01:50:13,430 --> 01:50:11,119
right go ahead you say t thompson yeah

3186
01:50:15,350 --> 01:50:13,440
the letters that we got from state the

3187
01:50:19,589 --> 01:50:15,360
the citation basically

3188
01:50:21,270 --> 01:50:19,599
is a is a recognition by the governor of

3189
01:50:23,270 --> 01:50:21,280
massachusetts and the lieutenant

3190
01:50:25,910 --> 01:50:23,280
governor and judge kevin titus

3191
01:50:27,030 --> 01:50:25,920
that we made u.s history that this

3192
01:50:30,629 --> 01:50:27,040
incident inviting

3193
01:50:33,589 --> 01:50:30,639
our restaurant is historically true

3194
01:50:34,470 --> 01:50:33,599
and um and i have to i hate to do this

3195
01:50:37,669 --> 01:50:34,480
to you but we

3196
01:50:37,990 --> 01:50:37,679
have plum run out of time yeah that went

3197
01:50:40,629 --> 01:50:38,000
really

3198
01:50:41,510 --> 01:50:40,639
fast we forgot to talk about the park

3199
01:50:44,149 --> 01:50:41,520
there martin

3200
01:50:48,629 --> 01:50:44,159
that's all right i'm sorry well anyway

3201
01:50:51,510 --> 01:50:48,639
go check out ufopark.com is in there.org

3202
01:50:53,109 --> 01:50:51,520
dot org okay and again the links will be

3203
01:50:53,830 --> 01:50:53,119
in the show notes gentlemen thank you so

3204
01:50:55,189 --> 01:50:53,840
much

3205
01:50:57,910 --> 01:50:55,199
thank you thank you all right have a

3206
01:51:00,070 --> 01:50:57,920
good evening good night now

3207
01:51:00,950 --> 01:51:00,080
hi all right everyone so we are going to

3208
01:51:04,709 --> 01:51:00,960
be back uh

3209
01:51:07,589 --> 01:51:04,719
next week um and uh

3210
01:51:08,629 --> 01:51:07,599
chris cogswell is going to be on uh very

3211
01:51:10,790 --> 01:51:08,639
interesting

3212
01:51:12,629 --> 01:51:10,800
uh gentlemen he'll be on next week so

3213
01:51:14,550 --> 01:51:12,639
check it out i want to thank everyone

3214
01:51:17,109 --> 01:51:14,560
that helped out with the show